Ready to stop complaining about Feral Druids?

90 Tauren Druid
7015
Yes. Going by # of posts in this forum is a great way to assume those classes have top comps and/or rank the strength of a spec.
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100 Undead Warlock
8235
why do ferals still cling to this hope that they will ever be viable in competitive pvp?

even if ferals were mediocre, the forums would cry until they are the worst pvp spec in the game again. mostly because the vast majority (and im talking 95%+ here) dont understand a single aspect about ferals because they never had to. hell, most people dont even understand what abilities ferals have.

the moment the average feral QQer started to double and triple ferals actual damage numbers in pvp it was over for feral.
Edited by Middboss on 12/14/2010 2:06 PM PST
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1 Orc Shaman
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So far the highest rake crit i have seen today is just barely above 10k (this is in full 346 heroic blue gear)

Cut it with the 20k non sense. Its just like the fabled 20k FBs of wotlk, seen in screenshots but never actually in game.
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85 Tauren Druid
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How are undispellable, armor-ignoring bleeds that crit for 10k manageable?


Because they tick every 3 seconds -- a steady, slow rate. If you are taking 10k damage every 3 seconds and have a health pool of 100k (which is rather low right now), that's a 30 second time-to-live.

Puts things in persepctive for you, doesn't it?


You just mentioned in your OP that 75% of your damage comes from bleeds. Bleeds that cannot be removed in any shape or form until they end, you die, or you're a Dwarf. Even assuming that you managed to keep a Druid off of you for the majority of the time (you act like having to spend 5% of your mana and a GCD without needing to use a Trinket while being immune to Polymorphs is a bad thing), you've already admitted that once a Druid has slapped his bleeds on you that he's dealing 75% of his damage. At that point it doesn't matter if he's next to you or not, he's dealing 75% of his maximum DPS even if he spontaneously dies of a heart attack.


Yeah, and therein lies the problem that you guys refuse to acknowledge: if a healer is within 40 yards of the target that is even halfway awake, there is no way for a Feral Druid to kill their target. When 75% of your damage is a DoT and you have almost no burst damage outside of a 5CP full-energy Ferocious Bite that crits for 25k under the absolutely best circumstances, you aren't going to burst someone down.

This is quite different from that Affliction Warlock that has stacked a huge array of DoTs on you that are ticking away for 20k every 3 seconds while he Fears your healer and Drain you. He may not have any burst, but that's some amazing pressure. You can't kite him either -- he can hit you from 40 yards away.
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90 Tauren Druid
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what about the rest of the damage?

What about the rest of your team? Also, enjoy 30k mortal strikes to the face today.
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100 Tauren Shaman
11960
Zep,

You must be new here? Only way people will stop complaining is when you get nerfed, and considering you are the new unpeelable class you can expect nerfs to be incoming before 1/4 of the season is done.

New?

They've always been unpeelable.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2zh0bgh.jpg

But the guy had resilience!

Now think about how many seconds passed there.
Edited by Matuk on 12/14/2010 2:46 PM PST
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90 Tauren Shaman
3130
Your bleeds still tick for far too much, it's not hard to comprehend.

Also, all a kitty has to do is put up his bleeds, go into bear form and tank rediculously well whilst laughing at whoever has the DoTs on them.

So no, you're not balanced and at this point I'd even put you higher than frost mages in the derp derp OP tree.
Edited by Ixxsavexxi on 12/14/2010 2:50 PM PST
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85 Worgen Druid
2815
Your bleeds still tick for far too much, it's not hard to comprehend

In PvE gear, which most people are in, and also of which has high mastery from quest greens. Go look at our PvP gear (I'm wearing two pieces), and find out how little mastery is on it.

http://www.wowhead.com/itemset=922

Blizzard did this for a reason, if gives them a mechanic they can easily tune for PvE, with out effecting PvP. Sure a Feral can try to just use PvE gear, but in rated teams, especially arena, its a death sentence and will be an outright loss.


Also, all a kitty has to do is put up his bleeds, go into bear form and tank rediculously well whilst laughing at whoever has the DoTs on them.


If you're going to spew nonsense, at least try to be halfway accurate.

If kitty goes bear form, he looses his mastery for those bleeds.
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#0

Read the mastery. They did change that going caster will not break the mastery because we are expected to shift (it's what the class does), however, the moment we take another form that isn't cat/caster, the bonus vanishes and becomes almost laughable.

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86 Night Elf Druid
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If you're going to spew nonsense, at least try to be halfway accurate.

If kitty goes bear form, he looses his mastery for those bleeds.
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#0

Read the mastery. They did change that going caster will not break the mastery because we are expected to shift (it's what the class does), however, the moment we take another form that isn't cat/caster, the bonus vanishes and becomes almost laughable.


Pretty sure you are wrong and bleeds now tick for full amount in bear. That's what the druid forums are reporting anyways (haven't tested myself)


5 Do math on Rake to show it's buged.


Yawning already has

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1208031874#1

It's bugged. Like it or not it will be hotfixed. Saying "It hasn't been fixed yet so it isn't bugged" makes you sound ignorant. Although I do agree with most the rest of your post.

Moo
Edited by Moomaid on 12/14/2010 3:22 PM PST
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85 Human Rogue
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Because they tick every 3 seconds -- a steady, slow rate. If you are taking 10k damage every 3 seconds and have a health pool of 100k (which is rather low right now), that's a 30 second time-to-live.



Puts things in persepctive for you, doesn't it?

One of your bleeds ticks for 3 seconds and deals 10k damage per tick. That means that a Druid slapping ONLY Rake on you would kill you in 30 seconds. Of course that's assuming that every tick crits, but you're also assuming some magical universe where the Druid is only capable of using Rake.

Yeah, and therein lies the problem that you guys refuse to acknowledge: if a healer is within 40 yards of the target that is even halfway awake, there is no way for a Feral Druid to kill their target. When 75% of your damage is a DoT and you have almost no burst damage outside of a 5CP full-energy Ferocious Bite that crits for 25k under the absolutely best circumstances, you aren't going to burst someone down.



This is quite different from that Affliction Warlock that has stacked a huge array of DoTs on you that are ticking away for 20k every 3 seconds while he Fears your healer and Drain you. He may not have any burst, but that's some amazing pressure. You can't kite him either -- he can hit you from 40 yards away.

It's amazing how healers are always there to save people from Druids, but aren't there to save them from evil Affliction Warlocks. An Affliction Warlock would waste a large portion his mana throwing all those DoTs on you, and all of them could be just as easily dispelled by a healer (or the target in question if they have the right abilities). A Druid can apply almost as much pressure as an Affliction Warlock with bleeds except that the target can't mitigate the bleed damage. He can't even get something like Shadow Protection to partially mitigate the damage (like you would with Warlock spells). Resilience might mitigate the damage somewhat, but Resilience mitigates ALL damage (including Warlock spells).

Likewise, a Feral Druid isn't exactly hurting when it comes to closers. It's practically impossible to snare you, and you have Prowl. You may not have direct closers like Charge or Shadowstep, but the fact that you can't be tied down at all more than compensates for this. We don't even need to mention the +30% speed boost kitties get. The fact that you need to be in melee range doesn't really add a whole lot of weight to your plight.
Edited by Buguba on 12/14/2010 3:49 PM PST
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90 Tauren Druid
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With trinket that gives +1200 expertise + tiger's fury my bleeds crit for 12000 on non resil targets with 100k hp. With resiled chars with 150k hp will crit for way less than that. Yes, resil will fix it.
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