Anybody try sword and board as ret?

90 Human Paladin
Just curious, has anybody done the numbers to see what the result is of a ret paladin using sword + board as ret? I mean not much would change in regards to glyphs (Shield vs Verdict obviously).

I was just thinking, with a faster 1 hander, wouldn't we get more procs of art of war / mastery? I don't believe these have a cooldown/max per minute proc since I've seen 6 art of war go off in a row (that was a very good fight :D haha)

I doubt it's viable, I just know a lot of people like experimenting so figured SOMEBODY had to have done it ;)
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90 Human Paladin
You lose the two-handed weapon spec (20% extra dmg), and all your % weapon dmg attacks will be weaker. You may get a few procs, but your HoL procs would be weaker. I don't have any numbers to actually back up anything, but since most of your dmg will come from CS and TV it just sounds like you'd be gimping yourself.
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100 Human Paladin
Might want to glance over at

The OP and I are trying to think out of the box, as you are, but from the other direction - running a Protection spec in a DPS role, but with Righteous Fury turned off so as not to generate the extra aggro a tank needs.
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100 Human Paladin
At level 80 when the new system hit I did dps tests with my normal 2her ( tyranical beheader ) and a level 30 something mace called the manuel crowd pumbler.

I'll admit the tyranical beheader isnt that great of a weapon but with the lvl 30 weapon , a iron counter wieght and a haste potion ( just to test the proc rates ). With all that crazy haste the dps on my level 30 weapon was only about ~300 dps behind my normal weapon. The insane amount of exo procs made up alot of the dmg.
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