Shaman and Druid Base Heals

90 Pandaren Shaman
8455
Need a bit of a boost IMO. The three primary heals should all heal for similar amounts for each healer. Right now things seem to be backwards. As an example a Pally's Holy Light heals for more than Healing Wave and Nourish....and that's not including the bonus healing via Beacon.

Just prior to the release of Cata Pally's and Priests received bumps to the healing done by their three core spells. How about a similar bump for Shammies and Druids?

I understand the "Different Classes are Different" meme. That said the three core heals should all be very close. The differences should come from flavor spells like Earthshield, Holy Shock, Lifebloom etc.
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90 Draenei Shaman
8385
You want a boost?

Unleash Life?
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90 Pandaren Shaman
8455
12/17/2010 7:38 AMPosted by Munney
You want a boost?

Unleash Life?


How was the term "Base Heals" confusing to you?
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
5175
12/17/2010 7:44 AMPosted by Indyana
How was the term "Base Heals" confusing to you?


Oh yeah being hostile is just a great way to get your post going.
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90 Pandaren Shaman
8455
How was the term "Base Heals" confusing to you?


Oh yeah being hostile is just a great way to get your post going.


Seemed pretty civil to me. No obligatory leet slang or insult. Just asking how someone could have responded without understanding the OP in any way, shape or form but anything's possible.

Simply put the three core spells from each healer should all have similar output on a single target.
Edited by Indyana on 12/17/2010 7:51 AM PST
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85 Draenei Shaman
SiN
4125
My GHW barely heals a quarter of a DPS's lifebar.

Yeah...
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90 Draenei Shaman
8385
Bases heals are fine. Want a boost, use Unleash Life.
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90 Draenei Shaman
8385
12/17/2010 8:07 AMPosted by Merkimus
My GHW barely heals a quarter of a DPS's lifebar.

Yeah...


You know what does though? Riptide. Costs less too.
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85 Draenei Shaman
SiN
4125
12/17/2010 8:10 AMPosted by Munney
Bases heals are fine. Want a boost, use Unleash Life.


You have virtually zero experience in heroics and raid content, with an average ilvl of 334.

Mayhap you should acquire a little more experience before you start running your mouth? Just a thought!

ps. our base heals are a little weak - it shouldn't require mana and a GCD to bring it up to par.
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90 Pandaren Shaman
8455
12/17/2010 8:10 AMPosted by Munney
Bases heals are fine. Want a boost, use Unleash Life.


Right now Shaman and Druid single target heals are lower than Priests and Pally's.

The three Core heals should all be healing for much closer amounts than they are now. If I spam Healing Wave and a Pally spams Holy Light the output should be almost the same. Simple as that.

I'm talking about continuous healing not what I can get out of a 15 sec CD.
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85 Dwarf Shaman
10090
Ill run mine then. Heals are fine.
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90 Draenei Shaman
8150
I'm not sure if I agree or disagree.. But right now I tend to agree.

I will say this though, looking through WOL last night I noticed that like 95% of parses are paly/priest. The odd shaman sprinkled in here and there, and druids nowhere to be seen really.

If our base heals are healing for less, then this would certainly explain this trend. Blizz seems to be on top of this sort of thing so I would expect buffs/nerfs to be inc.
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85 Troll Shaman
6470
12/17/2010 8:13 AMPosted by Merkimus
Bases heals are fine. Want a boost, use Unleash Life.


You have virtually zero experience in heroics and raid content, with an average ilvl of 334.

Mayhap you should acquire a little more experience before you start running your mouth? Just a thought!

ps. our base heals are a little weak - it shouldn't require mana and a GCD to bring it up to par.

Have you tried healing heroics in a group built entirely from your guild? maybe you should start doing that before you start running your mouth? Just a thought!

Base heals are weak but if you use them correctly you can easily dig a tank out of a big HP drop.
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90 Night Elf Druid
13555
Well he has a point. Just looking at the cheap heals:

Average base heal +talent/spec% increase (no spell power, no crits, no mastery)

Nourish (no hot): 3713
Nourish (hot):4456
(Holy) Heal: 4883
(Disc) Heal: 3899 (assuming 3/3 empowered healing) (+15% int adds to sp portion)
(Disc) Heal(Gracex3): 4835 (assuming 3/3 empowered healing) (+15% int adds to sp portion)
Healing Wave (no ES): 3500
Healing Wave (ES): 4025
Holy Light: 5364


Now, that doesn't necessarily mean the direct heals need to be increased since you have to look at the whole healing kit interaction, but he is right in suggesting the druid/shaman ones are feel a little low - especially off the tank target. The one advantage I can see for Healing Wave is it can be hasted alot by Tidal Waves, which may on average bring up its HPS compared to the others (though not its HPM)

I bet blizz is still looking in to tweaking the numbers here and there, give it time.
Edited by Keiyra on 12/17/2010 8:30 AM PST
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90 Pandaren Shaman
8455
12/17/2010 8:16 AMPosted by Thenuge
Ill run mine then. Heals are fine.


It's not a game breaking difference but look at your logs sometime and glance at the average heal for each of the three core heals for each healing spec.

Overall I agree our HPS is comparable but a lot of that is our passive healing (HST, ELW, ES etc.). If you want to fill the role of Tank healer it's about single target output. That's all I'm saying.
Edited by Indyana on 12/17/2010 8:27 AM PST
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85 Draenei Shaman
SiN
4125
12/17/2010 8:21 AMPosted by Virtz


You have virtually zero experience in heroics and raid content, with an average ilvl of 334.

Mayhap you should acquire a little more experience before you start running your mouth? Just a thought!

ps. our base heals are a little weak - it shouldn't require mana and a GCD to bring it up to par.

Have you tried healing heroics in a group built entirely from your guild? maybe you should start doing that before you start running your mouth? Just a thought!

Base heals are weak but if you use them correctly you can easily dig a tank out of a big HP drop.


Yeah, I have. And I've completed heroics in both PuGs and with guildies.

What does this have to do with base heals being weak other than you being an idiot going for a burn with zero relevance?
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85 Draenei Shaman
3950
I consider Druids base heals to be Rejuv, WG, and 3 stack Lifebloom, and Rejuv + SM Cause if you're not using those as your 'base heals' you're doing something wrong.
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90 Draenei Shaman
8385
Actually i have plenty or Heroic Experience. I might not have much time for heroics, but i am 6/6 on completing heroics.

As for raiding, again, i have only had one raid, and it was Baradin Hold and we 1 shot it. Dont know if you will count this as a raid, seeing as you want to believe i am bad, but guess who was second in heals?!?!

Me by .5%

Guess who was first in heals?

ANOTHER SHAMAN ZOMG BAD HEALERS!
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85 Troll Shaman
6470

Have you tried healing heroics in a group built entirely from your guild? maybe you should start doing that before you start running your mouth? Just a thought!

Base heals are weak but if you use them correctly you can easily dig a tank out of a big HP drop.


Yeah, I have. And I've completed heroics in both PuGs and with guildies.

What does this have to do with base heals being weak other than you being an idiot going for a burn with zero relevance?

Because that guy actually has had experience running at least one heroic that I've seen, and you decided to go for a burn ignoring this?

You guys sound like you're whining about the heals being weak, my post was just letting you know that when used correctly, they're actually quite alright.
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