yo do understand op that this would make the que even longer because of jackasses and othe r people that would rate bad on purpose just to be an ass
You're not rated by other people, you're rated by a piece of software that analyzes your performance and determines your rating.
Rating someone before max level is pointless. I don't care how you could perform at level 10 when you only had 6 abilities and a cooldown, I care about how you're doing at level 85, where you have three bars full of abilities, half-a-dozen cooldowns and raid-awareness to keep track of.
Knowing how to use a spell is basic. I want to know if you have raid awareness, if you see an add that the tank lost and DPS it down before it kills the healer, if you see another DPS standing in fire and yell at them to get out of it, if you time your cooldowns to take advantage of heroism, if you know the phases of encounters.
"I know how to cast a spell" is worthless for end-game. Hell, if we want a real metric, it should see if you keyboard turn / mouse click and ban you from raids. That's the level of scrutiny we need, because end-game content doesn't have margin for bad players.
I don't think Blackkat was trying to say these lower levels are the end-all in knowing raids. It sounds more like teaching someone slowly how to use your tools so it doesn't become overwhelming all at once with 3 full bars.
To further comment, I do agree with you on your statement on a performance driven society, along with disagreement towards people using the term "elitist". The problem I see is some people are so set in their ways, they refuse to learn or listen. I find these groups of people the "holier-than-thou" self-righteous type too. I have tried helping these people before, but it has not been possible.
01/09/2011 1:07 PMI don't like this. This is Performance Discrimination at it's best. Elitist. The difference between the A team football and the B team. What about the many players out there with learning disabilities? Are you going to tell them,"No, you're not allowed to do dungeons you have a learning disability." This is completely outrageous and downright shameful to anyone who would wish to discriminate against the disability population.
Posted by Daax
Cataclysm Dungeons do demand more attention from the players to be successful, especially if they are on Heroic difficulty. If a person says it's their first time on an encounter, I will briefly say what I know and what general skill to apply for it such as an interrupt. I have had occasions someone suggested an LoS spot instead of interrupting 2 NPCs in a pull. I listened and agreed since that made it much less complex and easier.
The original post does need building to make it better. Others have suggested it to be modified towards a practice environment. Maybe we don't need to make it a requirement, but I have been in situations where I want to test out my limits in my abilities and gear without inconveniencing others. Only way I can do this is a guild run currently, but that isn't always possible since everyone has their life schedule.