Topic Hellscream Raid Progression V4.10 (10-mans)
Congratulations on getting the post stickied, now with its new found spot on our forums, maybe it'll eventually actually contain accurate information.
Maybe its just a matter of time before the information is accurate, maybe its time to put some alt 10 mans together to make the listing accurate in what it says has been killed on 10 man.
Edited by Nortauk on 1/14/11 6:01 AM (PST)
If you have any information regarding your guild's (or another guild's) progress in 10m content, please add it to this list here so that correct information can be retained. If you notice that information being listed in this list is incorrect, please also let me know (either post, in-game mail, or whisper me) so that I can try and keep this list as accurate as possible.
I will continue to update the list, and at the request of guild leaders/officers, I will gladly remove information which may be misconstrued as misleading. To that end, if you (or any others) would like to see their guild's information redacted, please state in a concise and clear manner: A) That you are an officer/leader of your guild, and B) That you would like specific kill information or all 10-man Raid kill information removed. This will most effectively rectify any remaining objections you or others may have to the list in its current state.
Now, just in case you still don't get it, Zaxvriin, I'll do my best to put it in the simplest terms I can muster:
o If you want something changed in this thread you have to post in this thread or send me an in-game mail to get that something changed.
o When you post/send in-game mail, you must be specific in your request. If you are ambiguous, I will not know which information you feel is incorrect, and will not be able to correct it.
o As of Jan. 10th, this list is only being updated via the request of posters/information I receive in-game.
I hope that clarifies any apparent issue you've seemed to have understanding how this thread works, even though as my quotes have shown, I have made it very clear in the past what was needed to modify the information as it stands currently. Let me know if you have any updates for the list!
My issue is I'm not the one keeping this thread, you are. I am not the one posting false information on progression, you are. You want the thread to be right, its on YOU to get it right, not me. I'm merely pointing out you have wrong information posted and you don't seem to think of any course of action that corrects this.
I mean if you are fine with your list being wrong, then I suppose thats fine with us, but then I need to find the button to request to unsticky this thread because of its inaccuracy.
3 Draenei Paladin
Some random thoughts on your thoughts. Cheers.
"The format will be almost identical"
Anyone can copy paste. The question is whether you can do so intelligently AND usefully without ruining the original intent. I would say you've failed. And I don't think it's a matter of opinion in this case.
"...keep the information coming so the list can be updated."
Where did you get this list originally? Oh wait...
"The initial list was compiled via outside sources"
So instead of the original, which was complied completely from user posts so that only people who WANTED to be included WERE included...you deviated horrifically and instead chose to use a FLAWED source. So now you're posting about guilds who may have no interest in your FLAWED thread, but you're not helping the people who actually DO care about your FLAWED thread because they're comparing their guild's information against your FLAWED information.
"If you have information regarding the validity of the information contained within this thread, please feel free to post them in a rational, respectful, and informative manner, and I will gladly make the required changes."
You state several times that this is about INFORMATION, yet cannot be sure what you have posted is correct and are expecting others to make the corrections for you.
"The listing I have compiled was done so in that regard - not to make claims to who is more or less progressed than others - only to show what's being done and which raid bosses are dying on Hellscream"
You cannot do this effectively without starting on solid, factual ground to begin with.
"Because this thread serves the sole purpose of the documentation of information..."
Documentation requires a reliable source. Fail.
"I will gladly remove information which may be misconstrued as misleading"
You cannot expect others to fix your mistakes because of laziness, and should not involve guilds that have no interest in your fail post without asking first. You state over and over again how seemingly professional you are about making sure guilds who don't want to be included are removed, yet you should never have included them in the first place without their permission.
"I am simply trying to be as accurate and informative as possible as this thread is, by its very nature, intended to be an objective look at various Hellscream guilds"
Lastly...don't lie. You just like seeing your name stickied at the top of your realm's forum tab and the self-satifaction of being so 'involved'. Perhaps if you weren't doing such an awful job people might have taken you seriously.
Edited by Fancydethfst on 1/15/11 5:33 AM (PST)
People count, make the encounters changes dramatically in one way or another though. Good or Bad / easier or Harder, they are not the same. Couple more raid tiers to perfect it but right now things are not even.
Although I agree with what you said, I despise the use of the phrase "Real raids" to describe 25 mans.