Giving away gold and raffling items...wrong?

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85 Draenei Warrior
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Bring back Natedawg!

60 Worgen Death Knight
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Gambling

–verb (used without object)
1.
to play at any game of chance for money or other stakes.
2.
to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance: to gamble on a toss of the dice.

Now, I'll admit it defines the first definition fits what he's doing.

Now the second definition, which is the one blizzard is trying to follow, and is right to disapprove of, doesn't fit it so well.

The key phrase there is "money or anything of value", when Nate does his rafflings, they participants aren't risking anything of value, all they do is leave a name and a number so to speak. Nothing is risked. Its pretty much a free giveaway that anyone can win. Doesn't cost a cent.

Just look at this and draw the line. This is harmless, and just a positive thing to a server. If he was charging 10g per person, or something along the lines, then I'd agree with blizzard. Their is a huge difference between a give a way and gambling.
Edited by Bittermane on 1/17/2011 7:17 PM PST
85 Human Rogue
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To be honest, if you have never participated in his raffle, then you do not know if it's such an altruistic gesture. Like you said, the game is full of immaturity, so he may very well be one of those scammer. I'd like to look on the positive side with you and agree that he's being generous.

But it's no excuse to break the rules. There is no advertising allowed. It doesn't matter how well-intentioned you are, if you are breaking the rules.


You are an outsider as you're on a different server and are in NO position to state whether or not I'm able to judge him or his intentions. I've been around in this world long enough to have a sense of someone's intentions on this matter. Obviously you're showing your own immaturity by TRYING to make something negative that really shouldn't be. I'm sure you or your guildmates have never spammed trade chat multiple times advertising your guild, items, legendary links, racist jokes, anal jokes, or anything other than what trade chat is there for. So to quote you, "It's not excuse to break the rules."
85 Human Paladin
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Sounds to me like you simply have to stop advertising the Google documents.
100 Blood Elf Warlock
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You are an outsider as you're on a different server and are in NO position to state whether or not I'm able to judge him or his intentions. I've been around in this world long enough to have a sense of someone's intentions on this matter. Obviously you're showing your own immaturity by TRYING to make something negative that really shouldn't be. I'm sure you or your guildmates have never spammed trade chat multiple times advertising your guild, items, legendary links, racist jokes, anal jokes, or anything other than what trade chat is there for. So to quote you, "It's not excuse to break the rules."


Again his intentions don't MATTER. It is against the rules, period. The rules say no advertising.

And for the record I haven't had trade turned on, on any of my toons in years. Not that it matters. The point is that Blizzard doesn't want anyone to advertise this kind of stuff.
80 Blood Elf Paladin
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01/17/2011 7:15 PMPosted by Bawstin
I've been around in this world long enough to have a sense of someone's intentions on this matter.


This sentence is completely contradicted by the following statement:

Obviously you're showing your own immaturity by TRYING to make something negative that really shouldn't be.


It is against the rules to advertise. Thus, someone advertising is doing something negative. My own level of immaturity (which my wife would agree can be quite high) has nothing to do with it. It's against the rules.

I'm sure you or your guildmates have never spammed trade chat multiple times advertising your guild, items, legendary links, racist jokes, anal jokes, or anything other than what trade chat is there for. So to quote you, "It's not excuse to break the rules."


Assuming that I do something or do not do something is irrelevant. Advertising a game of chance is against the rules.

Oh, and as for trade chat, it's not just for Trade. Trade is just a suggestion.
80 Blood Elf Paladin
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01/17/2011 7:54 PMPosted by Hadyn
Yet, we as players are harassed constantly and to much more of an extent with gold spam in trade chat with virtually no evidence that anything is being done to prevent it?


Because when the advertising WAS allowed, this statement right here applied to the people running the casinos. Trade chat was spammed constantly, people were whispered non-stop, harassed even. Also, these types of games are always going to be easily exploitable and can easily be scams.

I'm glad the peanut gallery and finger wavers have made their way to the thread though, their input is always invaluable.


"Finger wavers"? As in, those of us who answered the OP's question, informing him of where he went wrong? Those of us who reiterate Blizzard's policy, regardless of whether we agree or not?

Yes, we are here. As people with accounts in good standing, we are allowed to post here. But as this thread has devolved into attacks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lock coming soon.
Edited by Madisón on 1/17/2011 8:01 PM PST
100 Blood Elf Warlock
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01/17/2011 7:54 PMPosted by Hadyn
I'm glad the peanut gallery and finger wavers have made their way to the thread though, their input is always invaluable.


No one is waving fingers, he asked a question it was answered. I don't understand what is so hard about it.

And the ignore list is the same size as it's always been.
100 Night Elf Druid
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It's the public advertising of gambling that's against the rules, right? So could Nate put up a DND with the info and use some sort of cryptic line in trade encouraging others to whisper him?

[2] Nate: PST for secret infoz regarding you-know-what!

Would that be legal as per ToS or could that cause an action against him as well?
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01/17/2011 7:54 PMPosted by Hadyn
Yet, we as players are harassed constantly and to much more of an extent with gold spam in trade chat with virtually no evidence that anything is being done to prevent it?


It looks like your account is at least a couple years old, Hadyn, I'm surprised to see you state that you have seen virtually no evidence that gold advertisements and spam has had nothing done to prevent it. Perhaps you were not playing during the times when a new method was discovered and it took awhile to address that particular method.

I think the majority of us can say with absolute certainty that there is a great deal that is done not only to deal with such advertisements in-game but also to actively prevent it.

Since this issue has been addressed and questions answered I'll be locking it.
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