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Frost PvP Guide (Updated 9.20.11)
I would like to know this also. The guide from what I read didn't mention Obliterate in the rotation but its one of the primary glyphs to use, so when is a good time to use it? Thanks! |
#181
5/20/2011
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There are very few times that you will actually find yourself using obliterate. If there is a healer involved always use necrotic strike...even against clothies...it works much much better. Especially if you are on a healer or a caster due to the casting debuff. The only time I will use obliterate is if I already have a large necrotic strike stack on a target and I am going to try to use one or two obliterates to finish him off....or I will use it in the case of double or triple dps in 2's or 3's respectively. The idea when you are in arena in a 3's is you want to set up your kills around your cooldowns or when you have good control over their team. For example I am playing TSG with a resto druid in blues right now. When we go for a kill I will blow my 1600 strength trinket, blood fury, and pillar of frost together hit the target with 4 Necrotic Strikes, Empower rune weapon, and hit him with another 4 necrotic strikes. During this time my warrior has blown his cooldowns and basically globals the person because they are not recieving any of the incoming healing. If it is a *!%!ty team we just can blow them up in the first couple seconds...if they are any good this usually happens the second we are able to force a trinket out of the healer. |
#182
5/20/2011
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Edited by Darkcore on 5/23/11 2:41 PM (PDT)
here are some top end DK's for you guys to check out if you would like
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/dragonmaw/alex/simple Top Rating - 3014 (Also just so happens to be his current rating) Mastery http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/dragonmaw/ufal/simple Top Rating - 2925 (2918 Current Rating) Mastery http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/area-52/unsafety/simple Top Rating -2942 (2807 Current) Mastery http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/sargeras/lafu/simple Top Rating - 3012 Mastery http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/rivendare/serennsunami/simple Top Rating - 2882 Mastery I can keep going but I am sure you get the point |
#183
5/23/2011
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Edited by Esaziel on 5/30/11 10:34 AM (PDT)
Okay, so with that being said, is it really worth it to glyph Obliterate? I'm very new to DK PvP, but it just seems like I never use the ability as I am focusing on NS/HB/FS all the time. I was wondering if glyph of Death Strike was worth it instead? I frequently use it for the obvious healing, so I was wondering what your opinion on glyphing it was, since I'm rarely if ever using Obliterate. |
#185
5/30/2011
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Okay, so with that being said, is it really worth it to glyph Obliterate? I'm very new to DK PvP, but it just seems like I never use the ability as I am focusing on NS/HB/FS all the time. I was wondering if glyph of Death Strike was worth it instead? I frequently use it for the obvious healing, so I was wondering what your opinion on glyphing it was, since I'm rarely if ever using Obliterate.[/quote] The other glyphs are not that great either in my opinion. You are going to use obliterate every now and then. It is worthwhile to have the glyph for obliterate for the times that you need it. |
#186
5/31/2011
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That works for me. Again, I was just curious because it seems like Obliterate gets very little use, but I guess if we're using it as like...a killing blow then it'd be worth it to maximize the damage. |
#187
5/31/2011
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If you think that only using HB, NecStr and FS are the way to the top than you must be at the bottom of the rankings.
Take all this advice they're giving you with a grain of salt brother. Work your way up, and be the best through experience. Nothing happens overnight. Winners don't tell their secrets, and losers think they know the secrets but somehow are still not the winners....hmmm. :) (Now I wonder how much smack talking will come after the losers check my profile, not realizing this is my second account. Lol! I love these threads sometimes.) |
#189
6/5/2011
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If you think that only using HB, NecStr and FS are the way to the top than you must be at the bottom of the rankings. Please do not come and insult my thread from a different account. This happens every so often that a person comes on claiming they have a better character on another account....if that is a case post on it. In reality there is not another account. Now I will tell you why I know you do not have another account. Every single person I know that has played over a 2400+ knows where and how to look for information about how to best optimize your class. It takes literally 5 minutes to know how to gear, how to spec, what gems to use. You know zero, you are gemmed wrong, geared wrong, and specced COMPLETELY wrong. You have no clue how to play a DK let alone spec one and yet you are telling me my information is flawed? I made this thread to help people better understand the basics of how to play a DK. I do not have any intention of holding back my "secrets". Thing is the top mmr players do not have secrets...they just know every aspect of this game very well. |
#190
6/6/2011
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Edited by Darkcorex on 6/6/11 9:42 AM (PDT)
You want to be running a necrotic/howling blast rotation. Usually I will open up with a howling blast to put up the chillbains on the target and then start shooting out necrotic strikes. I base my whole rotation around my necrotics strikes honestly. Howling blast I usually throw in there just to keep up chillbains on the target to keep him slowed. I wouldnt use it in a specific rotation. For example if I run in and hit the healer with howling blast, then he dispells it off himself, then I will hit him with howling blast again and then go into necrotic strike. If he keeps dispelling himself I might use some blood runes for howling blast. On the other hand if I run in and he does not dispell himself which is the usual case...then I will just go right into necrotic strikes right after the first howling blast and finish it off with another howling blast to complete the rotation. It is the most ideal situation to put in 4 necrotics strikes and 2 howling blasts every rotation if possible. That will put out the most pressure. If he gets below 10-15% i might throw in a obliterate to finish him off. Keep in mind also that all the meanwhile you have to be watching out for your healer...so you might be using a frost rune every rotation to help peel dps off of your healer. This is very very important that you help out your partners ANYTIME they need it. NEVER tunnel dps someone. Always pay attention to how you can help out your team to make their lives easier. |
#191
6/6/2011
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Why not get Improved Frost Presence?
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#193
6/6/2011
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Really the only place you will be able to take out points to pick that up is obliterate...which various DK's actually do spec that way. I just so happen to completely disagree with them. Obliterate yes is not used as often as we would hope, but it is used at least a couple times every arena match I go into. So it is much more worthwhile than improved frost presence. |
#194
6/6/2011
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Aha, now I get it thanks
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#195
6/6/2011
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Ever think in that high and mighty sticky forum post brain of yours that MAYBE I was trying different combinations? No. I'm sure it didn't. But that's ok. Your kind reacts to criticism that way every time. Oh! And on the...
...subject. Hahaha! Nice hard evidence you're putting up there. Brass tacks time brother... Now I was never actually talking down about your thread. I commend you for taking the time to write it, it isn't a quick thing to do. You are helping these players use their brain and start thinking for themselves...that is if they do something after they read it. Haha! As if.. You need to slow your roll and not take offense so easily. You'll get an ulcer man. Great thread. Unfortunately I don't believe in hammering the same three keys to become a champion. That's why people switch to Rift or whatever. Almost why I did. Give me options, make me think, have different variations of classes be just as good as each other. Blizz has failed to compete with other MMOs because they OP and Nerf all the time. They say it keeps people interested (quoted), but everyone knows it just pisses us off and we leave. Cept me of course..lol. I've been with Warcraft since Tides of Darkness. Can't quit. Dks were OP as *&%@ then!!! Hahaha!! Cheers! |
#196
6/7/2011
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P.S.- In case you were wondering I looked at your thread and then decided to spec this dk out in full haste....Its actually not too shabby. Up to 73.42% now. KM procs SO MUCH! hahaha! :)
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#197
6/7/2011
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Hey, I have a Frost DK that's 70 and his Frost Strike isn't good AT ALL. It does 3 times less damage then Death Coil. Once 85 does Frost Strike do more damage?
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#198
6/7/2011
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Edited by Darkcorex on 6/7/11 9:25 AM (PDT)
Alright first off let me completely explain why I know you have no high rated character. You are not just trying different combinations...you literally do not know anything about a death knight. I hope you take this as constructive criticism. Lets start off with your spec 1) Desecration is a much much better spec 2) You are not specced into endless winter...this is probably about the worst decision you could have possibly made. Having to keep your runic power consistantly over 20 in order to be able to interrupt whenever you want to is absurd. Any decent player would know how much of a waste of runic power and pressure this is on top of that. 3) Not specced into merciless combat. 12% extra damage on three main abilities and somehow you are not specced into it. This is like the kill shot for death knights. Try telling a hunter he is not allowed to use kill shot or a warrior that he cannot spec into execute. 4) Not specced into unholy command. Death grip is your most important ability to be able to peel. 10 seconds off the cooldown makes a HUGE difference. 5) Specced for DW...since you should be gearing for mastery after strength frost strikes have become much more powerful. So the increased runic power regeneration from the 2H spec is much much much better than any DW spec. Gear and Gemming 1) The only time I said go haste was 2 months ago with 2H. DW has always valued mastery over haste due to it already using up its runes too fast. You should never go haste in DW....and now you should never go haste with 2H. Mastery is much more important due to the buffs to frost strike and howling blast. 2) You are not sitting at the 195-220 spell penetration cap. You are below that....this is very very important for DK's. This is to counter things like the druid mark of the wild buff. 3) You have 5.61% hit...yet you only need 2% with a DW spec. Alright so there you go. You have 8 things that you are doing completely wrong...no DK that knows his class would every do any of the above. It is not a discussion that is just a fact. On top of that no offence but even if you did have some really good character on another account it is clear that you have ZERO experience on your DK. So you have no place to discuss what is and what is not good for a DK. If you had some decent experience like at least 1800...then we would be able to have a discussion...but you have never PvP'ed on your DK and by looking at your character I know why. |
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6/7/2011
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