So is there any correct answer on what a....

89 Tauren Paladin
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Protection Pally should forge for....mastery vs dodge vs parry….has anyone nailed down what’s the better for tanking?

I’m only asking because I have read so many different opinions…has anyone actually figured it out?
Edited by Luthral on 1/27/2011 1:04 PM PST
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100 Human Paladin
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Mastery>dodge=parry

If you are in a 10m guild and are going to be called on to interrupt once the rebuke change goes through, then you'll want to be hit capped. Otherwise, with threat as it is, mitigation>threat (since we don't have threat issues), so just reforge everything to mastery until you are at 102.4% (iirc) dodge+block+parry
Edited by Kythiara on 1/27/2011 1:42 PM PST
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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01/27/2011 1:15 PMPosted by Kythiara
Mastery>dodge=parry

^This^
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
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Keep in mind that you still want at least about 10% dodge and parry... but you should get that without even trying so mastery all the way :D
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89 Tauren Paladin
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ty for the reply
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Mastery. Until 5+Block+Dodge+Parry = 102.4% Mastery is the way to go, as it smooths out incoming damage a lot. Once you get there, start shifting Mastery back to Parry and Dodge (the lowest rating first) whilst staying at that 102.4% threshold.
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100 Human Paladin
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01/27/2011 1:26 PMPosted by Lols
Keep in mind that you still want at least about 10% dodge and parry... but you should get that without even trying so mastery all the way :D


Yeah, I'm at like 23% dodge and parry unbuffed and I'm reforging everything into mastery.
Edited by Kythiara on 1/27/2011 1:41 PM PST
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89 Tauren Paladin
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I'm curious how that turns out for ya...
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100 Human Paladin
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How what turns out for who? If you mean me, I also have like 55% block, so it turns out quite well.
Edited by Kythiara on 1/27/2011 2:19 PM PST
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89 Tauren Paladin
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yes you, was just wanting to hear of you notice any difference.
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100 Human Paladin
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It equalizes incoming damage to a much greater extent than would having dodge or parry. You get hit more often, but it's always for a lesser amount, and you avoid long streaks of no mitigation.

This makes your healer's lives much easier.
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89 Tauren Paladin
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01/27/2011 2:34 PMPosted by Kythiara
It equalizes incoming damage to a much greater extent than would having dodge or parry. You get hit more often, but it's always for a lesser amount, and you avoid long streaks of no mitigation.

This makes your healer's lives much easier.


Sounds right...
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85 Human Paladin
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01/27/2011 2:44 PMPosted by Twicky
Question from me, is it wrong to reforge dodge/parry into hit/expertise if the item already has mastery on it? Thanks for any answers


Generally yes... dodge/parry > hit/expertise (with the possible exception of needing hit for reliable interrupts)
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100 Human Paladin
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01/27/2011 2:49 PMPosted by Farfalla
Question from me, is it wrong to reforge dodge/parry into hit/expertise if the item already has mastery on it? Thanks for any answers


Generally yes... dodge/parry > hit/expertise (with the possible exception of needing hit for reliable interrupts)


This. The only reason I have so much hit is because I already have to interrupt sometimes (which is super awkward trying to do it with AS and HoJ, both of which are on the GCD), and I will have to do it pretty much every fight it's needed in once rebuke is universal. If you are in a 25-m guild or aren't raiding or have a ton of people that can interrupt, mitigation>threat all the way.
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Be sure to check out Xayton's sticky at the top of the page or Maintankadin.

Now as for what to reforge you need to first ask yourself do i need threat or survival. Generally since a dead tank creates no threat survival is more important.


REFORGING FOR SURVIVAL

For survival your ULTIMATE goal is to reach the Block cap (this does not mean its a requirement). This is the point where every single hit by a boss is dodged, parried, missed or blocked. Since all attacks that land on you are blocked its like a permanent 40% Damage reduction against all physical damage.

To reach this goal you need to have the sum of your dodge/parry/miss (constant 5%)/ and block to add upto 102.4%. This can only be done in BiS gear but the closer you come to achieving this point the easier you are to heal and less damage you take.

The best way to reach this stat is thru mastery (block). Parry and dodge both have diminishing returns meaning that you get less % dodge/parry per rating you have. If you get 10% dodge for the first 1k dodge rating you might only get 6% for the next 1 rating.

Mastery does not have diminishing returns. 1k mastery will give you the same amount of block no matter how much mastery you have. This is why you want to reforge for mastery where-ever possible. All stats are viable for reforging to mastery. Go hog wild.

Now what do you do if your gear already has mastery on it? Well this is where dodge and parry come in. You will reforge all non-mastery into dodge and parry. Dodge and parry have the same DR (diminishing returns) so they depreciate in value at the same rate. This means you want to keep them as even as possible....BUT DO NOT RELY ON THEIR PERCENTAGES!!!

Parry and dodge both have base percentages that are not counted toward diminishing returns. Parry is 5% while dodge is 3.325% or something like that. This skews the percentages. What you want to do is mouseover your dodge and parry and see what how much RATING you have of the two and make the RATINGS as even as possible. This will provide you with maximum avoidance and get you closer to being block capped.

Crit and haste should be the first things you reforge followed by hit beyond 8%. If you are not having threat issues you then want to reforge expertise past 26, then hit below 8%, and then expertise below 26. If you are having threat issues (or already reforged all your threat stats) reforge parry and dodge.

IM BLOCK CAPPED NOW WHAT?

At the block cap mastery becomes worthless FOR THIS TIER. In future tiers bosses increase in expertise and it will take more and more dodge/parry/miss/block to block cap. But for now mastery is worthless.

Reforge all your mastery into dodge/parry (keep the ratings equal) without falling below the block cap (102.4%). This will reduce your damage intake and make you easier to heal.

REFORGING FOR THREAT

Okay you may not be quite block capped yet but you are no longer getting turned into jelly. In fact you are pretty much unkillable, but you cant hold threat to save your life. Now what do you reforge?

Reforge for threat now. Generally we increase our threat by increasing our dps. So what is the best way to increase your dps as a prot pally?

The best stats to increase our dps/threat are as follows in ascending order with best threat stats at the top:
1. Expertise to 26
2. Hit to 8%
3. Stacking stamina for more vengeance
4. Stacking strength for more damage
5. Expertise to 55
6. Crit

Now we cant reforge for 3 and 4. So base on this reforge for expertise first. Expertise is better than hit because where hit only affects misses, expertise affects dodges AND parries. At 26 expertise (soft expertise cap) you will never be dodged and at 55 (expertise hard cap-OVER KILL) expertise you will never be parried. So aim to hit 26 expertise first. After that try and get your hit to 8% then reforge for more expertise.

Reforge excess/unneeded survival stats to these threat stats. If you are block capped (you more than likely wont get there for a long time) then get rid of mastery otherwise just dodge/parry or excess hit (all hit beyond 8% is wasted) into expertise till 26, then to hit till 8% then back to expertise till 55. As always Crit and haste reforged into good stats.

If you have 55expertise and 8%hit and still having threat issues crit would be next but this is highly unlikely. More likely than not you now have more threat than you know what to do with so go back to reforging for survival stats for the next tier.


Once again your ultimate goals: Block cap/soft expertise cap/hit cap

Reforge survival till you feel like you arent getting gibbed then work on threat then work on more survival.

Hope this helped.
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