01/28/2011 9:59 AMI'm disgusted (but not altogether surprised) that this debate is still ongoing. The blue poster comes out and points out that there are class trainers and AHs in Shattrath and Dalaran - the only reason we really needed the portals in the first place - and yet there is still a page-and-a-half of people going "QQ, this sucks, going to the AH in Org/SW is so hard now".
Posted by Ketiron
I could point out a few "back in my day" things, like when you needed 20 (for ZG/AQ20) or 40 (for everything else) people to run raids, paladins weren't allowed to be anything but holy, druids weren't allowed to be anything but boomkins, or when you had to slog it out on foot - or spend 10 minutes on a flight path - to get anywhere. Back when there were 40 levels' difference (instead of 20) between Tirisfal Glades and Western Plaguelands. (Oh, the bears were so loveable back then.) Back when the only portals were opened by mages, and the Dark Portal was just a nice bit of scenery on the map. Back when only Alliance would have paladins (like I used to be, lol) and only Horde could have shamans. Yada yada yada.
But most of you wouldn't know that, would you? You're so used to having everything handed to you. Easy access to the world was just a hop and a skip away, just hearth to Shattrath, or later on to Dalaran, and on you go. We all did it, I'll admit. But now that crutch is gone, and unlike a lot of you, there are quite a few of us who've learned to walk (or in this case, fly, lol) without it.
You easy-port fetishists make me sick.
I love it when people talk about how hard things were. It reminds me of old people talking about walking 15 miles up hill in the show without shoes ... or something like that.
Two words you need to learn, progression and population.
This game had it's cult following and was a great game in the beginning but because of progression, World of Warcraft continued to see a steep rise in population. Sure, I see the reward in making things difficult but it's still a game. When things were made more convenient (easier) the subscriber base increased massively.
Now they have somewhat reverted to Vanilla but it's odd because you get a message telling you how to play the game. Yes, we are going to make the game much harder but then cheat and tell you how to play the game. Not to mention the popup messages are somewhat distracting, rather than being helpful.
Oh wait, let me stop what I am doing to read the message on the screen, oops I am dead now. Well, now the game told me how to do it on the next attempt.
I honestly don't see the problem.
Ding 68, go to outlands. Gain some levels quickly. Hearth back to town, AH, log out til next day, whatever. Use dark portal to get back to Hellfire. Quest there more or in the next zone. Log out in some inn. Continue next day.
Honestly, I never even went to Shat when leveling alts through there.
Dalaran could be more of a problem since there's no quick way besides a slow boat to get there. But again, trainers and auction house in Dal. Go there.
When Northrend opened up, people didn't stay in Shat did they? Now that there are portals to all the new content in Stormwind and Org, why would people congregate in Dal. Even if they did, why is that such a harm?
No, because Northrend had all the portals too, including to shat! And all the max level content was in that zone.
I assure you, if Dalaran had the portals, people would stay there. Why? Because you have the option, for convenience, to port to any city. Why set your hearth in Stormwind when you can set it in a town that can instantly take you to Stormwind, Ironforge, or Darnassus, or caverns of time, whichever is more convenient for your current travel needs? Answer: a sensible person wouldn't.
My chief complaint about thing is I wish they had the cata portals and fishing/cooking dailies in Ironforge as well as Stormwind. I really prefer that town.
And I can assure you that would not be the case especially if they added similar portals in Stormwind and Org, further ensuring they are the new "old" hubs.
In either case, I don't understand why so much pressure was or is being put on making Stormwind and Org the hubs. Let people stay where they want to stay. If everyone stays in Dal, you will still get the same sense of community as staying in Storm or Org. I also liked the idea of a major city to house both factions.
Why is everyone so against fast travel? These same people are the ones saying "drr, just go afk and get fat (I mean make a sandwich)." Well, why be against fast travel if you aren't even going to stand there and enjoy the ride, which as it happens you are experiencing for the millionth time.