Living elements proc nerfed or bugged?

100 Blood Elf Warlock
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02/09/2011 6:25 PMPosted by Kromulent
Or, the tl;dr version, yes, they nerfed it.


Uh ... no.

On my druid, I think I've done the transmute at least 20 times. Procced an extra 14-16 on, oh, 3 of those. So I got about 3 X 15 = 45 extra volatiles.

If we now get extras on every transmute, call it 3.5 per, over those 20 times I'd have procced 75 extra volatiles. That no nerf.

Good change imo. It kinda sucks when you need certain mat types for your dreamcloth cooldowns on your tailor but never know when you're going to get them. A few each day allows a lot better synergy.

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85 Night Elf Druid
PvP
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i like the change. i get more then what my luck gives if it continued before patch.
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90 Gnome Mage
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The only difference my XMute master has noticed is that he is now getting 14 total, instead of sometimes getting 15 or 16 total.

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85 Orc Shaman
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I am a Transmutation Master. I just did my transmute in Uldum. Got 14 air, not one single bonus volatile. Is this intended with the new system? Is it a guaranteed small number of extras, or only a good chance at a small number?
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90 Night Elf Druid
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I got my first proc with the new system tonight! Volital Air x14 + Volital Air x2
Now instead of creating from 14-16 with a slim chance for an additional 14-16, I get to create 14-16 with a fair chance at 16. /yawn
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75 Tauren Druid
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02/09/2011 5:35 PMPosted by Nethaera
Transmutation specialists will almost always get a PROC when transmuting living elements.


I have 6 toons with transmutation mastery. On average 2 out of 6 get a PROC. Which is roughly 33%

So either there is a bug in the PROC rate, or your definition of "almost always " is completely out to lunch.
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85 Goblin Warrior
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Just Living Elements, if we're reading it correctly.

Instead of 14-16 extra volatiles every so often, it'll be 3-6 (or something like that) almost every time. Averaging out to the same overall long-term rate of gain.

This change only works for Living Elements, since it does a bunch of items (15 volatiles at a time) rather than single items (a truegold bar, for instance).


Okay. That's what I got when I read it at first as well, but since Neth had quoted a post talking about truegold I wasn't sure.
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85 Gnome Warlock
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I wanted to hop in and clarify and confirm there was in fact a change that was implemented with the patch that unfortunately did not make the patch notes.

The change actually adjusted the return on the transmutes so that you weren't getting spikes in the amount of items you'd get from the transmute. Instead, if you transmute over a period of time, the amount of the transmute return should even out.

So basically if you transmute on a regular basis, you should see a more regular return on the transmute vs. a spike in large returns. Transmutation specialists will almost always get a PROC when transmuting living elements.


Could you up the minimum to 3-4? It's depressing getting a 14 transmute and a 2 proc, given you can get a 16 transmute.
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90 Human Warlock
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02/10/2011 9:42 PMPosted by Wowmart
Transmutation specialists will almost always get a PROC when transmuting living elements.


I have 6 toons with transmutation mastery. On average 2 out of 6 get a PROC. Which is roughly 33%

So either there is a bug in the PROC rate, or your definition of "almost always " is completely out to lunch.


This. 4 Living Element Transmutes since the patch, 1 proc of 2x water. I've always felt the transmute mastery has been bugged with the proc rate since WotLK.
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90 Tauren Hunter
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02/11/2011 6:50 AMPosted by Naughtyzoot
This. 4 Living Element Transmutes since the patch, 1 proc of 2x water. I've always felt the transmute mastery has been bugged with the proc rate since WotLK.


I have a suspicion that the Transmute Mastery may be bugged, but only for certain characters. Which would make finding the bug even more difficult I would imagine.

I have 3 alchemists (all transmute masters) transmuting life to air everyday. Not counting Tuesday (since I'm not sure if I did my transmutes before or after the patch). On two of them, I have got extra procs from the mastery every time. That's 3 days worth of transmutes, Wednesday through Friday. On my third alchemist, I have yet to get any proc whatsoever.

I had originally just chalked it up to bad RNG. Figuring my 3rd alchemist was just unlucky to be on the outside of the "almost always" proc as Nethaera stated. However, if he misses out again tomorrow, I'll really start to think it's a bug. It is a little comforting I guess to know that there are others looking for a their first proc as well.
Edited by Torgall on 2/11/2011 7:53 AM PST
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90 Human Warlock
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Good to know I'm not the only one. Maybe it's payback for being so greedy in TBC with the RNG getting 5x Primal Mights like once every week or so :D

Another thing I didn't see in the patch notes - all transmute cooldowns are up at midnight now? They used to be random up to 24 hours. Now it's only once per day no matter what? I was mostly OK with the lousy proc rate since I could get a cooldown refresh of 2 hours or 4 hours or whatever. Now with once-a-day transmutes and lousy procs I'm a sad panda :(
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85 Goblin Warrior
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It's been like this for a while now. Before it was a 23 hour cd.

02/11/2011 8:14 AMPosted by Naughtyzoot
Another thing I didn't see in the patch notes - all transmute cooldowns are up at midnight now? They used to be random up to 24 hours. Now it's only once per day no matter what? I was mostly OK with the lousy proc rate since I could get a cooldown refresh of 2 hours or 4 hours or whatever. Now with once-a-day transmutes and lousy procs I'm a sad panda :(
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100 Gnome Mage
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Add me to the list of people who are seeing this nerf in full effect. I proc'd once since the patch, and got 4 waters. Umm yay? Haven't had a proc since then. Totally worthless when you use to proc 14-16 before. Oh well. It was nice while it lasted but it is now back to feeling like Wrath where you don't proc at all. My elixir master cries when getting next to no procs on large batches. Sort of makes the whole point of having specializations pointless.
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85 Draenei Priest
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It's been like this for a while now. Before it was a 23 hour cd.

Another thing I didn't see in the patch notes - all transmute cooldowns are up at midnight now? They used to be random up to 24 hours. Now it's only once per day no matter what? I was mostly OK with the lousy proc rate since I could get a cooldown refresh of 2 hours or 4 hours or whatever. Now with once-a-day transmutes and lousy procs I'm a sad panda :(

No, they were always at midnight. It was never 4 hours, it just happened to be the time to midnight realm time.

Now I'm interested. The proc works out to be the same - assuming you can only single proc on Transmute Living elements. As far as I know, double, triple, quadruple, and quintuple procs are possible on Truegold transmutes and elixirs/potions in the appropriate spec, just as they were in Wrath of the Lich King's alchemy.

Granted, I haven't had any flasks made, or any potions made, or any elixir mades, and have not seen a proc of more than two on Truegold yet. However, I've mainly been using Transmute Living elements because the materials are worth more than truegold straight off the auction house, so you have to farm them and take an opportunity cost unless you happen to get a proc. So has Transmute: Living elements been singled out so it only ever single proc'd before this change? Did it have to do with the mechanics of proc'ing several elements at the same time? Or has all multi-proc'ing been removed from transmute alchemists, or alchemists all together?

I'd also like to see Dreamcloth reset on tuesday, as well as Guild XP, so everything can just be weekly. (Asking for a number of "charges" on daily heroics is probably pushing it and everyone would get them done tuesday anyway). On that note, Guild Battle Standards don't work on [daily] quest turn ins (Mobs don't give very much rep, tabard has a cooldown and can't be moved throughout the instance) and it doesn't count toward guild rep. Pretty much pointless.
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80 Night Elf Druid
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In other words, we nerfed the procs, but we want you to somehow think we didn't, also look at this bunny!

The arrogance is astonishing.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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Really feels like something's wrong so far.

I've been doing this transmute as close to every day as I can remember since I hit 525, and I could expect two procs each week.

I've done it every day since Tuesday and only gotten one. Not a large sample size, but I'm not THAT inconsistent with my luck.
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85 Tauren Paladin
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This change is dumb. I love the idea of having just a few volatiles a day but more surely, but I have been transmuting for the past 5 days on two chars with Transmutation spec and have only hit extra volatiles on 2/10 days. (If you count 1-2 possible volatile air procs , its still only 1-2 extremely low and hidden)
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