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No, I don't know where you get that from. I get mounts because I like them, and thats it. I don't want to feel special, all I want is something aesthetically pleasing to myself. Is it wrong that I want something that I find appealing? Apparently it is. Btw, having to farm a raid weekly with a very slim chance of it dropping is not "Blizz handing it to you". Now if they made it the same as OS3D, then that would be handing it to you.

Look, dude, the Amani War Bear was a reward for doing one of the toughest raid challenges in Burning Crusade.

And you're saying you want Blizzard to allow you to get the Amani War Bear without doing one of the toughest raid challenges in Burning Crusade.

That's just not how it works, nor is it how it should work.

I don't care if they do it or not, but I also don't like people who don't want others to have it just so they can feel like a special snow flake. You're right, it was hard to get, but wanting others not have it just so you can feel special is not a good attitude. There are plenty of other mounts I like over the War Bear (White Hawkstrider ftw) but if the opportunity ever arises, I will get that mount.

02/13/2011 5:58 PMPosted by Mordrid

And you want to feel special by getting something you don't have and let Blizz hand it to you.

I bought mine for 5k gold (which was simple to make). The mount was handed to me. It's outdated content in a video game. By your logic I shouldn't have been able to waltz into heroic Magister's Terrace yesterday and spend 8 minutes to get another outdated mount, but I did.

The Hawkstrider is just a random drop. You don't need to do anything special to get it.

The Amani War Bear, on the other hand, required you to do the instance in a manner that makes it exponentially more difficult. Regardless as to how much you think you had it handed to you, you still had to put forth some sort of effort when doing the instance with whatever guild carried you through it. You still had to know the fights and play properly to avoid being a burden on the group.

Going into the instance at 85 and stomping the boss does, in fact, require far less skill and effort than buying a raid spot, and thus should not give the same rewards as doing it normally did.

02/13/2011 6:02 PMPosted by Kirrahe

Regardless as to how much you think you had it handed to you, you still had to put forth some sort of effort when doing the instance with whatever guild carried you through it. You still had to know the fights and play properly to avoid being a burden on the group.

I put one of the healers on follow.

Sorry, but there's no reason for Blizz to reinstate this mount. As people have pointed out, if you didn't get one because you weren't playing at the time or you couldn't get a group together to get it, then you missed out. Sorry, but that's the hard fact of it. I would love more than anything to be a fighter pilot in the 1940s flying a P-38 Lightning, and man, it's so unfair that the US Government stopped ordering them 66 years ago, but I missed out on my chance. It's not unfair, it's just how things go.

For those of you saying that it should be a drop. Sorry, but no. We spent months working on ZA to get the bears, tuning the precision of our runs, requiring the same people to show up week after week after week just to throw ourselves at one soul-crushing losing attempt after another. Do you think I'm okay with Blizzard making it a trivial chance for someone to solo it?

Hell no.

ZA is the fondest raiding memory I have in all of WoW. Bear runs were hard. Very hard. But it was also one of the greatest guild achievements that existed, and I take a significant amount of pride in the fact we weren't able to do the bear run once, but 25 times, with the same group of people remaining dedicated enough to run their guild mates through for the 6 and a half months it took to get as many people the mount as we could.

You people want to trivialize what was meant to be one of the most significant achievements of skill, teamwork and everything that an MMO exemplifies that WoW has ever managed to put in the game by making ZA a random chance loot pinata.

Atiesh, Scarab Lord, and almost all of the Feats of Strength are things that, now that they've passed, are gone and cannot be attained again. If you missed your chance, I'm sorry, it sucks, but it's too late. Deal with it.

PS. We completed the bear run and started farming them for guild mates while wearing only bits of T5 and the ZA gear we gained. I tanked it with my paladin alt who never once went to BT and hadn't been in Hyjal yet, since the run was near impossible with a warrior tank. Just sayin.

1-3% drop rate and sure. I don't see why they haven't done this already.

ITT: People with Amani Warbears who want to stay special by saying anyone who wants one is simply a greedy whiner who didn't work for it like they did.

So... how many of you bought your way to the bear?

Sorry, but there's no reason for Blizz to reinstate this mount. As people have pointed out, if you didn't get one because you weren't playing at the time or you couldn't get a group together to get it, then you missed out. Sorry, but that's the hard fact of it. I would love more than anything to be a fighter pilot in the 1940s flying a P-38 Lightning, and man, it's so unfair that the US Government stopped ordering them 66 years ago, but I missed out on my chance. It's not unfair, it's just how things go.

For those of you saying that it should be a drop. Sorry, but no. We spent months working on ZA to get the bears, tuning the precision of our runs, requiring the same people to show up week after week after week just to throw ourselves at one soul-crushing losing attempt after another. Do you think I'm okay with Blizzard making it a trivial chance for someone to solo it?

Hell no.

ZA is the fondest raiding memory I have in all of WoW. Bear runs were hard. Very hard. But it was also one of the greatest guild achievements that existed, and I take a significant amount of pride in the fact we weren't able to do the bear run once, but 25 times, with the same group of people remaining dedicated enough to run their guild mates through for the 6 and a half months it took to get as many people the mount as we could.

You people want to trivialize what was meant to be one of the most significant achievements of skill, teamwork and everything that an MMO exemplifies that WoW has ever managed to put in the game by making ZA a random chance loot pinata.

Atiesh, Scarab Lord, and almost all of the Feats of Strength are things that, now that they've passed, are gone and cannot be attained again. If you missed your chance, I'm sorry, it sucks, but it's too late. Deal with it.

PS. We completed the bear run and started farming them for guild mates while wearing only bits of T5 and the ZA gear we gained. I tanked it with my paladin alt who never once went to BT and hadn't been in Hyjal yet, since the run was near impossible with a warrior tank. Just sayin.

Your argument goes both ways. If Blizzard did (they probably will not) reinstate the Amani War Bear, then you would just have to "Deal with it".

And you want to feel special by getting something you don't have and let Blizz hand it to you.

No, I don't know where you get that from. I get mounts because I like them, and thats it. I don't want to feel special, all I want is something aesthetically pleasing to myself. Is it wrong that I want something that I find appealing? Apparently it is. Btw, having to farm a raid weekly with a very slim chance of it dropping is not "Blizz handing it to you". Now if they made it the same as OS3D, then that would be handing it to you.

I get that from exactly what you just said. You are the perfect example of the real elitist.

"GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!!! YOU MUST PUT SOMETHING BACK IN SO I CAN HAVE IT!!!"

Look, dude, the Amani War Bear was a reward for doing one of the toughest raid challenges in Burning Crusade.

And you're saying you want Blizzard to allow you to get the Amani War Bear without doing one of the toughest raid challenges in Burning Crusade.

That's just not how it works, nor is it how it should work.

your still doing it. guess what isnt hard anymore, heroic LK. sure u need like 14 people or so instead of 2-3 that za might take but you are still doing it. oh and guess what you can zerg os with like 3 people now. it hasnt been a challenge since people were out of ilevel 200 blues. that mounts in the game still. no one cares how the people who have it feel, just like they dont care how the people who dont have it feel. we all only care how we ourselves feel. some people would feel good on a war bear mount. so let them, if it takes them 100 runs or 25$ then whatever. makes no difference to me. while were at it how about we take out the 141 rings from the 4th chest if thats how u feel.

The Black Drake was a trivial reward long before Cataclysm was even announced. It should have been removed like the Black and Plagued Proto-Drakes, but alas it remains in the game to be facerolled and given to people who don't actually deserve it. The damage is done and there would be no sense removing it now.

A lot of people here seem to be under the impression that I have an Amani War Bear and that I'm afraid I might not be unique and special any more. Look at my achievements. I do not have a War Bear on this or my two 80s. I do not feel that I deserve a War Bear, a Black Silithid Tank, or Atiesh, because I did not meet the requirements to get them on time.

And so I don't have them. Nor am I demanding that Blizzard hand them to me.

I get that from exactly what you just said. You are the perfect example of the real elitist.

"GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!!! YOU MUST PUT SOMETHING BACK IN SO I CAN HAVE IT!!!"

l2dictionary

Yes, bring back the Amani War Bear from a timed ZA run...

and the Spirit of Competition tabard and vanity pet for logging on during the 2008 Beijing Olympics...

and the Baby Blizzard Bear for logging on during WoW's 4th Anni...

and lets bring back Zul'Gurub so we can get raptor and tiger mounts...

Lets make everything available for everyone! YAY!....


It is not about elitist and exclusivity. It is about rewarding those that have been playing the game for a really long time and have put in a lot of effort into getting all these things. Do not disparage the work of others because you feel that you are entitled to anything you want.

No.
You had your chance to either do it or buy it in Burning Crusade, if you didn't do that or you where not around for that, best get over it.

I am ever so sorry not wanting everyone to have everything so we can all be the same and "happy" is being evil and mean to you.

Instead of wanting mounts taken out years ago why don't you focus on current mounts that are fairly difficult to obtain?

02/13/2011 6:11 PMPosted by Ardanis

Your argument goes both ways. If Blizzard did (they probably will not) reinstate the Amani War Bear, then you would just have to "Deal with it".

You're right, it does. If Blizz did put the Warbear back in, I would have to deal with it. But they haven't, and they won't, therefore I don't have to deal with anything.

People want something for nothing all the time. That's fine, but the sense of entitlement doesn't mean that they should get it. A low drop chance for something a person can solo is not difficult. It's frustrating maybe, but it's not even remotely a challenge.

Rewards like the Warbear was for groups who worked together to achieve something extremely difficult. If you were able to do it when you could, you won. If not, then sorry.

No, I don't know where you get that from. I get mounts because I like them, and thats it. I don't want to feel special, all I want is something aesthetically pleasing to myself. Is it wrong that I want something that I find appealing? Apparently it is. Btw, having to farm a raid weekly with a very slim chance of it dropping is not "Blizz handing it to you". Now if they made it the same as OS3D, then that would be handing it to you.

I get that from exactly what you just said. You are the perfect example of the real elitist.

"GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!!! YOU MUST PUT SOMETHING BACK IN SO I CAN HAVE IT!!!"

No, you see I don't care if they end up doing this or not. I'm not yanking my hair out over the fact that I don't have some pixels. If they do put this in, cool, I'll end up getting the mount. If they don't, okay thats fine there are other mounts. Theres a difference between suggesting something and whining for it like a three year old, I don't know if you know the line between those two or not.

02/13/2011 6:30 PMPosted by Krigaren

Your argument goes both ways. If Blizzard did (they probably will not) reinstate the Amani War Bear, then you would just have to "Deal with it".

You're right, it does. If Blizz did put the Warbear back in, I would have to deal with it. But they haven't, and they won't, therefore I don't have to deal with anything.

People want something for nothing all the time. That's fine, but the sense of entitlement doesn't mean that they should get it. A low drop chance for something a person can solo is not difficult. It's frustrating maybe, but it's not even remotely a challenge.

Rewards like the Warbear was for groups who worked together to achieve something extremely difficult. If you were able to do it when you could, you won. If not, then sorry.

I fully agree with you, it was hard to get and players shouldn't feel entitled to it. However, I do believe that if Blizzard did implement this again, many people would complain about not being special anymore. What I'm trying to say I guess is that I hope that most people have the same views like you and don't whine over it. I don't care if this happens either way, I don't like people who feel they're entitled to an something, but I also don't like people who feel like they're entitled to the exclusivity of that something.