Mage - Ignite munching some data
Taken from http://worldoflogs.com/reports/a32gnq7le2jipelh/details/15/?s=10323&e=10492#
Ranked 99th on Argaloth 10m on 2-20-2011
Direct Damage Crits:
Total Direct Damage Crits:
Expected Ignite from Direct Damage Crits only:
1015960 * .4 = 406384 * (((Mastery - 8) * 2.8) + 22.4)1.33796 = 543725.54
DoT damage crits:
Living Bomb - DoT: 253459
Living Bomb - Explosion: 48747
Combustion - Inital Hit: 12094
Flame Orb*: 47802
Total DoT Damage Crits:
Total Ignite damage: 520218
Total Expected Ignite damage: ((Total Direct Crits + Total DoT Crits) * .4) 658537.6 * (((Mastery - 8) * 2.8) + 22.4) 1.33796 = 881096.97
Damage Lost: (Expected Ignite - Total Ignite) 360868
Percent Munched: (Damage Lost / Total Ignite) 69.36%
Difference in Total Expected Ignite and Expected Ignite form Direct Damage Only:
881096.97 - 543725.54 = 337371.43
Difference in Expected Ignite from Direct Damage Crits and Total Ignite:
543725.54 - 520218 = 23507.54
What this means is that you would gain 23.5k damage from the EXPECTED Ignite from Direct Damage compared to the TOTAL Ignite damage. Ignite will still munch itself if you got a double crit on FB / HS, causing a dps loss overall, although some of this will be regained through easier Combustion usage. The only way that changing Ignite to proccing only from Direct Damage would net a dps gain is if less than 6% of the damage munched itself.
*Added Flame Orb to DoT because it is the least reccomended candidate for Ignite proccing throughout all direct damage abilities.
02/20/2011 8:20 AMPosted by Sephresi've never heard of 'deep wounds munching', and it's not baseline either, it requires talent points. but theirs is a steady dot damage based on your weapon's dps, so it's either up or not. there aren't 5 different values being compiled
It probably does happen wth deep wounds, but warriors have much less simultaneity in deep wounds procs.
We get two crits at the same time only if a white swing and a special connect and crit at the same time. Rend crits don't proc it so there aren't any dots running in the background to screw it up.
So I'd imagine it could happen to warriors, but it doesn't happen often enough for anyone to care.
It'll smooth things out greatly, though.
Say your spellpower is 6k, and you crit for 30k, this evens out to about 12k Ignite ticks.
Alternatively, maybe just make it the "big 3": Scorch, Fireball, Pyroblast, and have it boost the damage of the spells NOT affected (Living Bomb, Flame Orb, etc) have crit damage increased to compensate.
That being said ignite HAS to either be fixed or redesigned for fire to survive this xpac with any dignity. If it is not changed in some way Crit (a core stat for tree mechanics) will be reforged away, LB fireball and Pyro will have further mana costs reduction and or spell damage increases just to keep up with the rest of the classes.
If a redesign is in order perhaps a change to how ignite works. Change it to a stackable dot with max of X stacks (modified by mastery) with a duration of say Y ticks (increased with haste) over Z seconds. With only fire spell Crits having the ability to proc it.
This way crit still has a place in the tree for HS and master of elements and ignite.
(this may mean a shorter CD on combustion but thats a good thing more buttons to push :D)
How to use
Enter the totals for your Direct Damage criticals, DoT criticals, and Ignite damage from World of Logs, in cells B1, B2, and B3 respectively. Subtract any crit damage from sources that do not proc Ignite.
Enter your mastery value in cell E1.
Enter your total damage done in cell B8 to see the of percent total damage output lost to ignite.
The sheet does not account for ignite damage that should have contributed to a Combustion, so actual damage losses are higher.
In the example calculation (using data from my most recent Nefarian kill), I'm losing 19% of my ignite damage or 4% of my total damage. In other encounters I have lost 6% or more of the total damage.
Did a Heroic dungeon and Skada was reporting 40% ignite munching.
Blizzard can we have a response on this please?
Is that including the times where a mob dies before ignite finishes? It's something to be aware of that not all unrealized ignite damage is due to munching.
But it seems to me you would be able to change ignite into a stacking buff that stacks ontop of itself with charges, with the charges fluxuating based on how much ignite damage is left ticking at any specific moment.
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