How long do Draenei live?

85 Night Elf Druid
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In any case, the Draenei lifespan seems to be so amazingly long that they're almost certain to die by violence before old age. Which is incredibly sad to think about.
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90 Orc Hunter
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too damn long
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67 Night Elf Druid
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02/16/2011 9:32 PMPosted by Achanatan
I dont think Draenei are immortal, one point i have is this. in the starter area for Draenei theres a graveyard, and there is someone by the graveyard who mentions he finds graveyards sad. this points to the fact that the had cemetaries at their homeplanet, meaning people did die at draenor, leading to the possibility that they are probly not immortal.


They just Crashed I mean that would't kill any one.
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85 Orc Death Knight
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02/16/2011 9:16 PMPosted by Omacron
They seem to have no upper limit to their age: though whether or not all of them are immortal (Velen is explicitly so) or not is up in the air. References to "stasis" and "cryo pods" on the Exodar imply that some Draenei may enter cryogenic hibernation to extend their lifespans.


the funny part is the Exodar is Naaru tech.

Why do the Naaru need Cryo-stasis pods?
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100 Night Elf Rogue
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02/27/2011 1:18 PMPosted by Mazrag
Why do the Naaru need Cryo-stasis pods?


For the races they drag around the universe? The draenei might not be the only ones.

Either that or Velen is really old. But yeah, I'm thinking the eredar reached such a level of development magically, scientifically, and biologically, that they've become ageless.


Well. That's a bit of a reach. All we know about Eredar culture before Sargeras showed up is that they considered themselves to be pretty magically advanced. Something that was equally true, if not more true, for the night elves pre-Sundering.

Magically, they don't seem advanced beyond what the elves or humans have now - they're defeated by freshly trained orc warlocks. Technologically, everything they use is Naaru-tech; they're behind both the dwarves and the gnomes. Biologically, they haven't even shown any signs of expertise in the field.

Basically, the draenei are the same as the night elves - they were a magic based society that, as a result of a run-in with the Legion, switched facets. The night elves switched to druidism, and the draenei switched to the Light.
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85 Night Elf Warrior
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I still don't understand why it's so hard for people to accept that they're probably just what they tend to say they are: They're immortal.

We don't have any proof otherwise, and immortal doesn't mean you -can't- die. It just means that age(And usually disease) won't kill you.
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100 Night Elf Rogue
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It's mostly because of the significance that immortality has had in the WC mythos. The playable races are often referred to as the "mortal races"; as opposed to those who are above us, like dragons, demons, and gods. Even the night elves, who were immortal for basically their entire existence as a species, were immortal because of an external, powerful artifact: the Well of Eternity or Nordrassil.

To have the draenei just be, intrinsically and naturally, immortal seems weird since they're a playable race. If Velen was immortal because of, for example, an Ata'mal stone; that would make sense and be acceptable. But for their entire species to be immortal just because, even though they haven't been able to openly practice magic for 25,000 years, had to abandon everything on Argus, were nearly exterminated multiple times... just seems off.
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100 Night Elf Rogue
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02/27/2011 3:33 PMPosted by Alanii
Draenei likely aren't immortal, but ridiculously long lived.


That seems the logical answer, to me. Naturally glowing eyes seems to be the big indicator of a race heavily attuned to magic, which - if the elves are any judge - does bring a highly extended lifespan along with it.

All that Light healing power infusing them all the time can't hurt either, of course.
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88 Blood Elf Hunter
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I still don't understand why it's so hard for people to accept that they're probably just what they tend to say they are: They're immortal.

We don't have any proof otherwise, and immortal doesn't mean you -can't- die. It just means that age(And usually disease) won't kill you.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immortal

Definition of IMMORTAL
1
: exempt from death <the immortal gods>
2
: exempt from oblivion : imperishable <immortal fame>
3
: connected with or relating to immortality
4
: able or tending to divide indefinitely <immortal cell lines produced in culture>
actualy, it does, what you are talking is called "eternal youth" not immortality
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83 Human Paladin
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_immortality
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100 Night Elf Rogue
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02/27/2011 5:11 PMPosted by Calia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_immortality


Can we get a full round of that IRL?
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85 Night Elf Warrior
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I still don't understand why it's so hard for people to accept that they're probably just what they tend to say they are: They're immortal.

We don't have any proof otherwise, and immortal doesn't mean you -can't- die. It just means that age(And usually disease) won't kill you.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immortal

Definition of IMMORTAL
1
: exempt from death <the immortal gods>
2
: exempt from oblivion : imperishable <immortal fame>
3
: connected with or relating to immortality
4
: able or tending to divide indefinitely <immortal cell lines produced in culture>
actualy, it does, what you are talking is called "eternal youth" not immortality


Immortal almost always refers to unable to die from age. Exempt from age by death seems to be what the Draenei are. (And maybe disease)

Also, why does it matter that they're a playable race and immortal? That's just how they are. It doesn't make much sense to go "Well that can't be right, none of the other races are." None of the other races are Draenei.
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100 Troll Shaman
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02/27/2011 6:26 PMPosted by Tahlavin
Can we get a full round of that IRL?

I'd have to find the link, but a particular smbc comic strip points out something rather interesting about biological immortality. That is to say, it would completely transform our social makeup, since all deaths would be attributed to accidents or crime rather than old age.
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100 Night Elf Rogue
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02/27/2011 6:34 PMPosted by Slywyn
Also, why does it matter that they're a playable race and immortal? That's just how they are. It doesn't make much sense to go "Well that can't be right, none of the other races are." None of the other races are Draenei.


Because quests and NPCs use the phrase "the mortal races" to refer to the playable races. Because several quests outright say, "You can do this because you're a mortal". Because we're called "mortal heroes", "mortals", "puny mortals", etc, over and over.

It's not "mortal heroes, plus those immortal draenei".
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100 Night Elf Rogue
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02/27/2011 6:40 PMPosted by Alanii
And Draenei would correct them, but apparently we keep no records of our society whatsoever. Cept for the bad parts, of course.


Well, presumably most of that was left behind in the frantic escape from your own homeworld. Then the twenty-five THOUSAND YEARS of continuously running from world to world while leaving their inhabitants behind to burn.

Can't imagine why you wouldn't want that recorded.
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90 Draenei Paladin
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For the races they drag around the universe? The draenei might not be the only ones.


They are. They were chosen by the Naaru just as they were chosen by Sargeras.

Well. That's a bit of a reach. All we know about Eredar culture before Sargeras showed up is that they considered themselves to be pretty magically advanced.


No, they didn't. Sargeras, however, did.

Something that was equally true, if not more true, for the night elves pre-Sundering.


No, it wasn't. I mean, you may come to that conclusion. But it's Blizz that stated Draenei were masters over the Arcane over 25,000 years ago.

Magically, they don't seem advanced beyond what the elves or humans have now


How would you know? These are your own presumptions. Lore wise, it's specifically stated that the Draenei have a natural affinity for magic. Evident by the fact that they were first race recruited by Sargeras for his army(and they make up the elite of his ranks), and the Naaru for theirs. This was 25,000 years ago, before most of the races on Azeroth existed.

Technologically, everything they use is Naaru-tech. they're behind both the dwarves and the gnomes


Prior to the legion and Naaru, they resided in wondrous cities. On Draenor, their cities were extremely advanced. It isn't as if they don't have intelligence that is all their own, creations of their own architect. And at this point, after being companioned for many millenia, it's safe to say that their tech is one in the same.

And the Dwarves? No. Just no. The gnomes, I wont argue with. I'll even give the nod to the Goblins over the Eredar. But outside of those two races, there is no one more technologically advanced. They were bending the physics and chemistry of entire areas to hide cities for Christ sakes.

hey're defeated by freshly trained orc warlocks.


The Orcs were ambushing hunting parties... hunting parties. And they were being directly influenced by Kil'Jaeden. Secondly, the Draenei weren't fighting back, other than the hunting parties reacting to being ambushed.

Basically, the draenei are the same as the night elves


No they aren't.

they were a magic based society that, as a result of a run-in with the Legion, switched facets.


They Draenei never drifted away from using their magics, hence the reason the were traced by the Legion time and again. In fact, in Rise of the Horde, both Durotan and Nerzhul flat out stated that, magically, the Draenei far surpassed what the Orcs were capable of. That, whatever the Draenei were using, > Shamanism.

It's mostly because of the significance that immortality has had in the WC mythos. The playable races are often referred to as the "mortal races"; as opposed to those who are above us, like dragons, demons, and gods. Even the night elves, who were immortal for basically their entire existence as a species, were immortal because of an external, powerful artifact: the Well of Eternity or Nordrassil.


So, from what I've gathered, it's tough for you to accept that the Draenei are immortal because the Night Elves no longer are?

To have the draenei just be, intrinsically and naturally, immortal seems weird since they're a playable race. If Velen was immortal because of, for example, an Ata'mal stone; that would make sense and be acceptable. But for their entire species to be immortal just because, even though they haven't been able to openly practice magic for 25,000 years, had to abandon everything on Argus, were nearly exterminated multiple times... just seems off.


They still used magic. They're magical beings.

What does fleeing Argus, and running from the Legion for 25,000 years, have to do with immortality? That has absolutely no bearing on how long they live.
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85 Troll Death Knight
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well velen is immortal and as evidence in the opening cinematic for the dranei they describe him as "the immortal prophet velen"

if you want to look into that statement (as i did) i think it implies that dranei are not immortal, because why would they say that velen is immortal if all dranei were? could be evidence, or could be a case of looking into 3 words too much.

either way velen is at least immortal
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