How long do Draenei live?

90 Draenei Paladin
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I don't know if they're immortal or not, but they live longer than everyone else.

But, with that said. I don't know why Archimonde, Kil'Jaeden, and Velen would be immortal, but all the other Eredar wouldn't.
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85 Human Paladin
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The Eredar were describes as beings beyond the reach of time prior to their interactions with Sargeras, and there are many Draenei who have been alive for well over 25,000 years.

To put this in perspective, the Titans arrived on Azeroth 20,000 years ago.

The Draenei predate every race on Azeroth.

Even if they aren't truly immortal, as evidenced by Velen being aged, they have lifespans so vast they can look down on dragons as whippersnappers messing up their lawns.

That said, being immortal in Warcraft doesn't mean a character could be expected to have the wisdom, knowledge, and skill associated with having been alive for all those years, even with the ability to remember their lives clearly.
(Intriguingly, the Draenei are able to speak clearly about Argus, which they left 25,000 years ago, but Dragons have memory loss over a mere 10,000 years.)

There is some form of 'cap' in skill in Warcraft, otherwise the Draenei would never have fallen victim to the orcs because their warriors and mages would have been so incredibly talented from their tens of thousands of years of experience.
The same could be said of the night elves.
The Sentinels have ten thousand years of fighting prowess, constantly battling the Satyr and other indigenous dangers of Kalimdor.
The fact that an orc with less than three decades of life, only two of which would have any worthwhile combat experience, can fight a Sentinel without being reduced to a moist pile of ribboned flesh in a matter of seconds implies a sort of 'cap' in how skilled a person can become in Warcraft.
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85 Human Paladin
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Oh, and even thoguh this will probably be a double post...

There are other immortals that can be played as well.

Death Knights. The first thing Arthas says to them when they speak to him "I have granted you immortality, so that you may herald a new, dark age... for the Scourge."

In Warcraft you can be both mortal and immortal at the same time. Mortal in the sense of having limited powers, as could be expected of any human or orc.
Immortal in the sense you just don't age, like a Draenei or Deathknight. (Forsaken seem to age in that they decay and become mindless.)
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titans came to azeroth over 200K years ago, not 20K years ago. they still may out date all titan seed race azerothians, but trolls may have been around before the draenei... the exact point of modern troll origination is unknown, the same goes for orcs, they could be 2 million years old as a race. but gnomes, all elves, tauren, humans, dwarves, goblins, worgen, forsaken, and moonkin all are younger than draenei.

the eredar/draenei source race(before the split) may be older than everyone else again we dont know.
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90 Draenei Paladin
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otherwise the Draenei would never have fallen victim to the orcs because their warriors and mages would have been so incredibly talented from their tens of thousands of years of experience.


A few things.

1. The Orcs were ambushing hunting parties.
2. The Draenei weren't fighting back.(Thanks Velen)
3. After the Orcs began being bested in battle, they were empowered by Kil'Jaeden

Also, for what it's worth. Restalaan bested Durotan twice in combat, both times easily, and could have killed him either time.
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100 Night Elf Rogue
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1. The Orcs were ambushing hunting parties.
2. The Draenei weren't fighting back.(Thanks Velen)
3. After the Orcs began being bested in battle, they were empowered by Kil'Jaeden


The orcs ambushed hunting parties for the first few attacks. Then they attacked villages and cities.

The draenei did fight back. That's why the orcs were all severely injured when the Elements abandoned them and they needed to learn warlock magic in the first place.

The orcs only drank demonblood for the final battle, at Shattrath.

To put this in perspective, the Titans arrived on Azeroth 20,000 years ago.

The Draenei predate every race on Azeroth.


Well. No.

The timeline we have from the Player's Guides, which is the only one mentioning when the Titans showed up, says they left Azeroth 64,000 years ago. Futhermore, Malfurion's age is given as 15,032 in WC3, and Queen Azshara is said to have been studying the Well for several thousands of years before causing the Sundering - who knows how many queens or kings were had before her. Heck, we don't even know the original name of Zin'Azshari.
Edited by Tahlavin on 2/28/2011 2:13 AM PST
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83 Human Paladin
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Hey, what'd you mean by get a full round IRL? As in, can we achieve it? I don't know that terminology lol.
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100 Night Elf Rogue
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02/27/2011 6:49 PMPosted by Hobahken
They are. They were chosen by the Naaru just as they were chosen by Sargeras.


Sargeras has chosen many races. Only two Naaru traveled with the draenei in Oshu'gun. The rest, including A'dal, didn't come until after Shattrath was destroyed and the draenei began praying for them. The draenei are clearly not their only project, unless you think they were chilling around the water-cooler that entire time.

02/27/2011 6:49 PMPosted by Hobahken
No, it wasn't. I mean, you may come to that conclusion. But it's Blizz that stated Draenei were masters over the Arcane over 25,000 years ago.


Which puts them in the same position as the Highborne pre-Sundering, the high elves, the humans, and the gnomes now.

02/27/2011 6:49 PMPosted by Hobahken
Lore wise, it's specifically stated that the Draenei have a natural affinity for magic. Evident by the fact that they were first race recruited by Sargeras for his army(and they make up the elite of his ranks), and the Naaru for theirs.


Lots of races have a natural affinity for magic. All the demons were recruited first. And Sargeras tried the same thing on the Highborne the second he found Azeroth, even stating he had never seen such a fount of power to match the Well of Eternity.


02/27/2011 6:49 PMPosted by Hobahken
Prior to the legion and Naaru, they resided in wondrous cities. On Draenor, their cities were extremely advanced. It isn't as if they don't have intelligence that is all their own, creations of their own architect.


Silvermoon is pretty wondrous. So is Dalaran. It's not hard to make a wondrous city with magic. And their cities on Draenor looked advanced to a child Durotan who had never seen anything more advanced than a tent.

02/27/2011 6:49 PMPosted by Hobahken
The Orcs were ambushing hunting parties... hunting parties. And they were being directly influenced by Kil'Jaeden. Secondly, the Draenei weren't fighting back, other than the hunting parties reacting to being ambushed.


The orcs attacked villages and cities. And the draenei were fighting back, I'm not sure how you think they were not.

02/27/2011 6:49 PMPosted by Hobahken
In fact, in Rise of the Horde, both Durotan and Nerzhul flat out stated that, magically, the Draenei far surpassed what the Orcs were capable of. That, whatever the Draenei were using, > Shamanism.


And apparently was surpassed in turn by freshly-trained warlocks.
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90 Draenei Paladin
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The orcs ambushed hunting parties for the first few attacks. Then they attacked villages and cities.


Yes, and by the time they were attacking cities, Kil'Jaeden's influence was already altering them. Their skin had become flaky, and began to turn green, and their eyes took on an orange hue.

These weren't typical Orcs, and they weren't operating under normal circumstances. On top of that, they had been training, specifically, to fight the Draenei. Crafting weapons and armor for battles, and studying what knowledge Kil'Jaeden had given them.

Also, they were fighting with magical items that enhanced their abilities. Items that Velen had practically given them.

The draenei did fight back. That's why the orcs were all severely injured when the Elements abandoned them and they needed to learn warlock magic in the first place.


The Draenei never mounted a counter attack, they never unified or attempted to form an army. They never built defenses or made any effort to become militant. The only time they fought back, is when they were already being attacked.

Sargeras has chosen many races.


But he had a first pick. A first round draft pick if you will. And, as I said, they compose the elite ranks of his army.

Only two Naaru traveled with the draenei in Oshu'gun. The rest, including A'dal, didn't come until after Shattrath was destroyed and the draenei began praying for them. The draenei are clearly not their only project, unless you think they were chilling around the water-cooler that entire time.


How's this conflict with my statement?

And again, you're basing this off assumptions. Who else have the Naaru actively been interactive with, to the point of being integrated parts of their society? I'll wait.

Which puts them in the same position as the Highborne pre-Sundering, the high elves, the humans, and the gnomes now.


No, it doesn't. These are, again, your presumptions. Every bit of my posts can be backed with text directly for lore, yours can't.

Lots of races have a natural affinity for magic.


And not everyone's affinity is equal.

All the demons were recruited first.


That's a contradiction. There can be only one "first". And it wasn't the Elves.

And Sargeras tried the same thing on the Highborne the second he found Azeroth, even stating he had never seen such a fount of power to match the Well of Eternity.


Sargeras didn't recruit the Elves. He found them on a technicality. He never noticed them for their advances as a society, he made no effort to give them what he had given the Draenei.

Silvermoon is pretty wondrous. So is Dalaran. It's not hard to make a wondrous city with magic. And their cities on Draenor looked advanced to a child Durotan who had never seen anything more advanced than a tent.


Yes, and Argus predates both Silvermoon and Dalaran by many millenia. The Eredar were doing things Humans and elves are doing now, literally, 25,000 years ago.

I'm not sure how you think they were not.


Because they weren't.

And apparently was surpassed in turn by freshly-trained warlocks.


Are they supposed to be ashamed for being beaten by beings directly influenced by Kil'Jaeden? Beings, that even after losing the demonic influences, are one of the strongest forces on Azeroth?

Also, it was made blatantly clear that prior to Kil'Jaeden giving them power, that the Draenei > the Orcs.
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90 Draenei Paladin
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The problem with that is that a lot of people die through war, or disease. Not necessarily old age. A lot of people died in the crash of the Exodar. Not necessarily saying they're immortal... but it's possible they are.
Edited by Yelenea on 4/7/2011 12:39 PM PDT
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85 Human Mage
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A race can be so long lived it might as well be considered immortal. I mean, if Velen can live 25,000 years, compared to humans barely reaching a century, than hell, sounds immortal to me.

Also, not sure if it's already been clarified, but immortality isn't the same as eternal youth. The Night Elves were immortal before the third war, but they still obviously aged, just very very slowly. We're not even sure on their upper lifespan, if there is a natural one.

Also, in the Death Knight quests I believe, if you play a draenei, your 'loved one' asks you to remember some Mountains on Argus. This implies at least that your character is 25,000 years old or more, or however long ago the draenei fled Argus. It might just be pure quest text, but it implies that 25,000 years might not even be that long.

The cryo pods I think are used to stave off boredom, and also to save supplies. NASA's looking into these technologies for future spaceflights beyond Mars, as they know that humans would be driven insane by the sheer boredom of YEARS in one place. It also saves resources, since a cryogenically sleeping body supposedly takes way less food, air, and water than someone fully awake.
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85 Draenei Shaman
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04/07/2011 12:49 PMPosted by Aurria
Also, in the Death Knight quests I believe, if you play a draenei, your 'loved one' asks you to remember some Mountains on Argus. This implies at least that your character is 25,000 years old or more, or however long ago the draenei fled Argus. It might just be pure quest text, but it implies that 25,000 years might not even be that long.


Another thing to add to this discussion is that the Draenei left Argus 25,000 AZEROTHIAN years ago. We have no idea how long a year on Argus lasts in relation to a year on Azeroth. For all we know, an Azerothian year is only like 1/10th the duration of an Argus-ian year.
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85 Human Mage
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04/07/2011 03:40 PMPosted by Safiyr
Also, in the Death Knight quests I believe, if you play a draenei, your 'loved one' asks you to remember some Mountains on Argus. This implies at least that your character is 25,000 years old or more, or however long ago the draenei fled Argus. It might just be pure quest text, but it implies that 25,000 years might not even be that long.


Another thing to add to this discussion is that the Draenei left Argus 25,000 AZEROTHIAN years ago. We have no idea how long a year on Argus lasts in relation to a year on Azeroth. For all we know, an Azerothian year is only like 1/10th the duration of an Argus-ian year.


You know, that's a good point. Not all years are an Azerothian/Earth year. I mean, a day on Venus is 240+ days on Earth. Pluto's year is at least 248 years.

Hell, if Argus had the same year as Pluto, then 25,000 Azerothian years would equal about 100 years on Argus. And you know, Velen does look like he'd be about in that ballpark.

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80 Draenei Shaman
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It's stated outright in the new intro cinematic that Velen is immortal.

It's implied in the start zone that draenei as a race, while very long-lived, are mortal.

Their actual lifespan and maturation rate have not been stated.
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85 Undead Hunter
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info from the DK Draenei quest where u gota kill the person u once knew, about 1000-5000ish
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80 Draenei Shaman
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04/08/2011 01:03 AMPosted by Shêpherd
info from the DK Draenei quest where u gota kill the person u once knew, about 1000-5000ish
Not so much. That quest states that you were born on Argus back before "eredar" was a bad word, which makes your DK upwards of twenty-five thousand years old.
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90 Draenei Paladin
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Kinda pointless to mention this. Restalaan beat Durotan ONCE. When the Horde sacked Telmor, Restalaan and Durotan met once more and gave it their all. Durotan emerged victorious and relatively unscathed.


You're mistaken. They fought twice. Durotan was on the losing end both times, and was rescued, so to speak, on both occasions.

The first, when Durotan led an ambush against one of the hunting parties. Restalaan led the counter attack, and he and his group wound up killing most of the Orcs involved. He pulled up before killing Durotan, in single combat, and spared him because he had previously released Velen.

"He looked up into the eyes of the one who would slay him.... and recognized Restalaan

"Durotan grasped for breath, trying to summon the energy to rise and continue the fight. Restalaan uttered something in his ululating language, and every Draenei halted almost mid swing."

ROTH pg. 198

The second was during the battle of Telmor. Restalaan bested Durotan again, but before landing the killing blow, he was attacked by Durotan's wolf.

"Instead of attacking again, he hauled Durotan from his saddle. Durotan was taken by surprise, and before he know what was happening, he lay on the ground before his enemy. He reached for his axe as Restalaan swung his sword, thinking even as his fingers closed on the hilt that he would not be swift enough. Nightstalker, however, was trained almost as well as the Orc who rode him.

ROTH pg. 244
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