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Warlock play style is absurd.
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Possible this could be the most complex rotations in the game. You have at least 10 buttons you have to press and watch cool downs and dot timers.
Bring back 4 button play styles. |
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Edited by Gadsden on 3/6/11 9:29 PM (PST)
No. We LIKE it complex. It separates the good players from the bad ones pretty obviously as opposed to the 2 button mages who are all alike.
Show me a Warlock doing 20k dps and I'll show you a good warlock. Show me a mage doing 20k dps and I can't tell you a damn thing about him other than he presses the 1 key a lot and when he gets really bored, presses 2. |
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No. We LIKE it complex. It separates the good players from the bad ones pretty obviously as opposed to the 2 button mages who are all alike.you've seen a warlock pull 20k? |
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Edited by Gadsden on 3/6/11 9:39 PM (PST)
You've seen a warlock pull 20k? Pfft. I've pulled 20k on a single target boss and I don't consider myself all that awesome. Not gimmick fights either, but I will admit all the CDs and everything do have to be lined up before the start of the fight and last the right amount of time to take advantage of the hills of dps rather than ending in a valley. I will also admit that for most fights I come in more around 15k. |
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I tried out demo, with a good rotation this time. Did about 18k on the raid dummies... which dropped to around 15k-ish, due to meta dropping off and MC not proc'ing often (proc'd a lot when I started). Plan on working more with demo. I lvl'd as demo from vanilla until 80 and I miss it.
My destro spec/rotation (my raid spec) usually only does 14-15k on dummies. That's without keeping the Imp SF buff up. Going to work on getting that up more often. During heroic boss encounters, depending on buffs, time warp, blood lust, etc., I can hit around 17-18k as destro. Again, that is without keeping the Imp SF buff up... and again, I need to work on that. As much as I did drop demo back then, due to it's complex rotation, I've been playing destro since WotLK raids. It's easy. Too easy. So I'm now wanting a bit more complexity to the rotation. A good player can work with the complex classes and do good dps. Bad players make the complex classes look bad, with their low dps. |
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Edited by Gunx on 3/6/11 11:24 PM (PST)
Possible this could be the most complex rotations in the game. You have at least 10 buttons you have to press and watch cool downs and dot timers. LOL u only use 10 buttons let me see A - left q - S/left w - str8 d - right e - S/right s - fail backpedal ok thats 6? oh i'm missing 4 more 1,2,3,4 is that all? |
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Edited by Gadsden on 3/7/11 1:21 AM (PST)
You're daft. Meta (and can I time it in such a way to also have that available during the last 20%?) Guardian Demon (Infernal or Doomguard) and does it make sense to use it in this phase? Demon special abilities (fel storm, ect.) Bane of Doom Corruption Immolate (which you still have to keep track of even if HoG refreshes most of the time) Hand of Gul'dan Shadowbolt (filler) Incinerate (on MC procs) Soul Fire (on instant or Decimate, but not if MC procs) Fel Fire (during movement) or should I get in a Life Tap? Playing Demo is constantly asking yourself, "What spell am I casting now and what spell am I casting after next after that because something else is coming off cool down four seconds from now?" Because none of the CDs sync up in any logical way, you are constantly making decisions about stuff that needs to happen several seconds future. I think that might be where a lot of people go wrong. They wait for Power Auras or whatever to tell them what they need to do next and they're reacting to it rather than looking ahead to see what might be more important. |
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Edited by Liphar on 3/7/11 1:10 AM (PST)
Lets get off this idea that complicated means your good. Anyone can get used to any rotation (or lack there of) if they do it enough times. Lets get back to the game. In my opinion, relative to the other classes in the game us locks have to do alot more to just almost keep up. To me that means Locks are sorely missing the mark.
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Edited by Gadsden on 3/7/11 1:33 AM (PST)
Ok, but you have to admit not being able to deal with it does mean they'll under perform and therefore are "bad." So . . . functionally, what's the delta on that? |
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I almost feel like this is a troll, but I guess I'll bite anyway.
Demo is easy as hell, doesn't matter what these people are even saying. Affliction was complicated as hell back when you could use ISF, but thats what made it fun. It was rewarding keeping up your dots, starting with felhunter for demon soul, then soulburning to succy and soulburning back to felhunter for demon soul again during burn phase, because you'd be guaranteed to top dps charts if you could pull it off... now with no ISF its just not worth it. Destro seems complicated at first, but as was stated above you do get used to the rotation, even to the point of knowing exactly how many incinerates you get off between soulfire casts, and so forth. To be honest, if they simplified warlocks any more, I'm not sure what I'd do... I remember trying to play a ret pally. That lasted about one heroic when I got bored of playing whack-a-mole with 3 attacks. Leave locks as they are IMO |
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Coming from a decentish leveling warlock, I'm not even close to 80 and the rotation isn't as simple as 4 buttons, like the following classes:
Paladin Boomkin Warrior Shaman Mage#1 I'd say rouge but tbh it depends if the person is multilate or combat This is definitely a troll thread, but I like trolls, as I am a troll hunter.(haw haw) And hunters are similar to warlock destro in a way, have to time incinerates/explosive shots. |
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I swapped my primary alt to warlock because they simplified my old primary alts rotation (Enhancement Shaman)
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You haven't?No. We LIKE it complex. It separates the good players from the bad ones pretty obviously as opposed to the 2 button mages who are all alike.you've seen a warlock pull 20k? |
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its people like the OP that are the reason locks get screwed with over simplifying. If its too hard for you then don't play one. Don't get our class screwed up. I def enjoy all our rotations and aff is fun because you are always doing something. I still manage to pull between 20-30k (depending on the encounter) as affliction.
Luckily we are getting buffed next patch but i was not about to jump on the destro bandwagon because i hate it. I had to do it all through BC and if i wanted to be a mage i would have rolled one. The difference in DPS was so trivial and the destro lock in our guild who has a few better pieces of gear only manages to outdps me once in a blue moon. The hard rotations/priorities just make it more rewarding when you actually do great dps. Yea, in BC i was doing double the DPS of the #2 person in the raid but it was stupid. People were so impressed and im like...im hitting one button, if the fight lasts longer than 5 mins i refresh CoE lol. |
Demo is easy as hell, doesn't matter what these people are even saying. You do realize demo still uses pet swapping with meta, the part or the rotation that you found interesting with affliction. I'm not saying Demo is OMG complicated but when you can do it in melee range, with shadowflame the cooldowns and dots falling off. It defiantly can get hectic. Plus simple or not, there is a #!@*e load of keybinds to get used to. With the dynamic meta cooldown it can be a handful. I think if its within 20 sec of demon soul coming of your suppose to stack them, if you can get the felguard back out, but I say screw it and just fire it when ever it comes off. Destro definitely has a much faster pace rotation. In demo unless you get a bunch of MC procs sometimes it feels like you have all the time in the world waiting for SB to cast. |
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Edited by Drswag on 3/7/11 4:00 AM (PST)
@ vaeevictus ..yeah 30k on halfus bud u gud
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hense the part i said...depending on the encounter...
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Edited by Chríx on 3/7/11 9:11 AM (PST)
I might believe Vaeevictiss, but the other 2 on here are trolling w/ their numbers, a lock who reforges haste to mastery on one item then mastery to haste on another, gems pure haste ect.. is not pulling that kinda dps.. I still don't see 20k happening on most fights for Affliction in your gear Vae, I demands pic or it didn't happen :-P then I demands vid so I can emulate it :-P
Anyway I love the lock play style, its why I also love the feral play style(just realized I posted on Druid), though I end up tanking most of the time /sadface. Sorry if it's too ADD for you, but we live in an ADD world, where complexity and a challenge is the most fun you can have. I played demo for a while for a change of pace then tried destro after I heard you couldn't raid affliction, couldn't do the ease of Destro, now I'm happily back in Affliction even if the DPS is just slightly lower, oh well its much more fun. *Edited |
