03/30/2011 12:30 AMArielle, yeah you can line of sight them, but it's a hassle. Particularly in pugs....a good example of this is heroic GB, right before throngus. (3 casters and a big melee about 10 yards apart) I try to get the group to stand behind the wall so I can LOS, but there's always a DPS that says "Just go" and refuses to listen.
Posted by Emesh
Death grip is incredibly handy - I won't lie about that. It's extremely rare that I use it, or feel like I need to use it to control a caster, however. Most pulls with casters are better dealt with in one of two ways, with a third way as the fallback:
1. CC the casters and pull the melee
2. AOE the whole group and kill casters first where they spawn
3. Run over there and interrupt the prick. This is actually the DPS's job, but most DPS are bad and then it falls to the tank. In a good group, it happens automatically without having to ask. I *always* pummel, bash, counterspell, silence, etc casters at range if I'm playing DPS to make things easy.
I actually use death grip more often as a "kill this first" mark that never gets ignored like skull. A mob that arrives 3 seconds before the rest of the pull always gets focus fired on.
Even if you have a gimmick spell like DG, you should know how to tank when when it's on cooldown or the mob is immune. This is more important than people realize.
I suspect that most of the people wishing they have things like DG either aren't taking the entire class as a whole into account, or simply have not played the other class. Tanking does not suddenly get easy with death grip, and mangling things is no harder if you play well. I speak specifically of death grip because I've never played a paladin past ~30, and haven't touched my warrior since wrath.
Many places have no LOS. The trash room in front of V&T comes to mind. (I've tried using the pillars, but the enemies have the magic ability to shoot through them.)
If there isn't line of sight pillars, get off your ass and start running. If you run past the group a bit, the mobs will stop at the group. This was the standard way I pulled things back in EQ, but it works fine in wow as well.
03/30/2011 1:18 AMYou may respond with "well the ranged dps can interrupt it". True. But if I was anything other than a Druid, they wouldn't have to...
Posted by Tewa
You have it backwards. If they were anything but useless, YOU wouldn't have to. Melee can do it just fine as well. God forbid they have to stop DPS for 2 seconds to walk over and kick a mob!