Lol, ya I was wondering at first to whom your comment was directed but caught on. And I totally agree, perks should "cost" certain amounts of experience to maintain, I think that would help ALOT of this mass leveling and mass kicking to benefit the few. It really wouldn't hurt anyone who does it right and helps with continued guild growth.
I'm fine with guilds being directed from the top up. I'm ok with giving the GL the power to invite, promote, kick and disband a guild. I understand the work that goes into it having been a previous "guild" leader, co-leader and officer in several groups of FFXI online. What I'm NOT ok with is how Blizzard treats a guild leader like a god in this game. GLs have no fault, gets the benefit of the doubt, full ownership of all in the bank, etc. You know I could be a GL. All my friends and guildies have the same experience and know how to be a GL. But to be in a guild together we all have to surrender power to the almighty GL.
While infact the best groups a GL is simply a figure head and responsibility is shared between everyone. More often than not a guild and guild leadership quite literally is a shared experience between very core members because a single person cannot do everything nor motivate everyone to get a job done. I beg Blizz as the owner of, as they like to remind us themselves by killing any solo content, a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME, to treat a guild then as a multiplayer experience and allow for multiplayer leadership especially if you're going to give the power to ruin individual progress of a player directly into the hands of another player.
Getting kicked from a guild used to suck as you then needed to find a guild and prove yourself for gear. Now you literally lose ALOT of perks and all this is in the hands of another player and that quite frankly does not seem right.
That's not a Blizzard problem to fix. You don't like G.M's like that. I don't either. I didn't stay in the guild and complain about how he has too much power. It's call Guild MASTER not Guild Leader for a reason. <strong/>
Why do people hold these "perks" to such a high standard that they would rather be miserable in a guild and have the worry about being mass kicked?
I don't see what's so hard about actually finding a guild that you enjoy being in and like the leadership. My alt (who is 85) reached Exalted the guild I was in. It took a while but I didn't even notice because I was enjoying the game. the G.M. quit and the guild died under a horrible officer.
That easy. I am now honored with another guild that I like being in.
I don't see how this is Blizzards problem.
Trying to work on my Walls O' Text, quoting doesn't help much.
To respond to Rei: The only way to fix the 'GL has all the power' issue IS to put it to a vote. All members is impossible, but even a quorum of officers might be hard (And how do you remove a problem officer in that situation?). Eventually Blizz has to put the power with someone, and they decided to consolidate it in the GL. Also, it comes back to the very issue that Grimmloch (Albeit in his own brusque fashion) brings up.
You CAN move. That's the wonder of a capitalist (RE: NOT Democratic) society. A GL acts crazy and does bad things? People move, the guild gets smaller and eventually dies. The unfortunate part is there are people with vested interest in that guild that don't want it to. The unfortunate truth is: It sucks (For lack of a better term) but it can happen to the best of guilds. A GL and officers can abuse power just as much as a GL alone can, and rule by committee is impossible to implement (not to mention unwieldy).
I do have to point out to Grimm, however, that moving guilds is not NEARLY as easy as /gquit. I myself helped build a raiding team in my guild, was an officer and watched it grow from 150 toons to 500+ over WotLK. I have some issues and things that make me unhappy, but I've also watched it rise to a lvl 23 guild and like the perks, but am in constant conflict with the GL as an officer who doesn't like the 'recruit anybody' or 'Officers get to go on everything, regardless of output' mentality. I don't even play that much anymore, but the relationships I DO have (even with the GL) PLUS the perks keep me in there.
At the same time, IF I moved, it would to be the guild of a buddy who used to be one of my officers when I was a GL. Much smaller, but I like the environment. If I changed it would be my choice, understanding the benefits I would lose, while the social aspects I would gain. I can't complain about this choice, because cost/benefit is the nature of any choice.
The end result? I'm glad this is a game, so I can be in multiple places at once. I have my tank/DPS in the first guild and my PvP toon in the second. That may change, but realID makes it so that if it did, it wouldn't really affect my social circle much except that I might get a few :'( from friends and a few people that only befriend me for my rank who wouldn't talk to me. Not a big deal all-in-all.
PS: Thanks Shorty. You are now my hero for making me your hero :P