Why is trolling *NOT* against the TOS?

90 Night Elf Rogue
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No. Part of the purpose of the game is to have fun, and telling jokes (which you are calling trolling) is fun. If you don't like it you can ignore them.

The forums are specifically meant for discussion. The game isn't.


Oh, come on, you're not really sitting there thinking trolling and jokes are the same thing, are you?

When you tell a friend a joke, whose expense is it at?
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85 Orc Hunter
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Oh, come on, you're not really sitting there thinking trolling and jokes are the same thing, are you?

When you tell a friend a joke, whose expense is it at?


I actually do stand-up comedy, and a ton of my jokes make fun of an audience member. or a whole race of people, or women or men. so ya... other peoples expense is fun to laugh at.
Edited by Sofar on 5/6/2011 6:14 PM PDT
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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05/06/2011 06:09 PMPosted by Crepe
So that's what we're going with here? Part of the purpose of the game is to troll people?


Don't be obtuse.

The rules of the game are different. Because the game is not, as its primary purpose, a communication medium about a particular topic.

The communication channels in game have rules but those rules are not to restrict communication to a particular topic.


See, I too am sitting here, wondering how you could possibly be this obtuse.

Although you don't outright deny that trolling is part of the purpose of the game, let me assume for a moment that you feel that it isn't. Let me further assume that you feel the purpose of the game is a method for an individual to have fun in a social setting in a fantasy world. Correct me here if my assumptions are wrong. Assuming (whoops) they are not, at this point I shall ask, how does trolling contribute positively to this?
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Somebody got trolled!

Delicious tears.
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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05/06/2011 06:13 PMPosted by Draug
.. no... the purpose of the game is to have fun in a myriad of ways.


All right, let me stop you there. I'm going to ask you a question, and you're going to answer it in a predictable way.

Why can't I harass another player? It may be at their expense, but I'm having fun.

With that predictable answer, I'd also like you to apply it to the current topic and explain to me how or why it doesn't apply to trolling, but does apply to harassment. As I mentioned in the first post, trolling is a form of non-directed harassment. So why is one allowed while the other is not?
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81 Undead Mage
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"What does Samus wear under his suit?"


Umm.. it's actually "What does Metroid wear under his suit?"
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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"What does Samus wear under his suit?"


Umm.. it's actually "What does Metroid wear under his suit?"


Both of them work, but yeah, it's usually that.
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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because this game isn't all about you, it is about everybody.


Why can't I swear in game? You might not find it offensive, but this game isn't about you. It's about everybody. Heck, Blizzard's back is covered on this, too. "Experience may change during online play."

Why can't I harass you in a public channel in game? You might not like it, but you can just ignore me; you have a way to deal with it. Other people might enjoy it, and this game isn't all about you; it's about everybody.
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85 Orc Hunter
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trolling is a form of non-directed harassment.


And here is your problem. You're taking 'trolling' WAY too seriously. The examples you used are what I assume you deem as trolling and if that is what you consider "non-directed harassment" then it is more like a personal issue lol


agree. I think the OP might need to see a counselor if harmless one-liners seriously offend her.
Edited by Sofar on 5/6/2011 6:31 PM PDT
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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trolling is a form of non-directed harassment.


And here is your problem. You're taking 'trolling' WAY too seriously. The examples you used are what I assume you deem as trolling and if that is what you consider "non-directed harassment" then it is more like a personal issue lol


You know, if trolling were the light-hearted exercise you'd like to portray, I could agree with you. If trolling consisted of a rickroll, or a leekspin (I said LEEKspin, blues), I could look at it and, although tiring, at least see the humor in it.

But really, it's not. It's mean-spirited. Granted, it's not stalking, or outright insulting, but it's done with the intent of causing someone else grief, if only temporarily. A troll is considered "successful" if someone ends up looking like an idiot, moreso if someone else points it out.

Trolling doesn't add anything constructive to the game, and not only that, it's a deliberate attempt at being destructive to the community. Sure, there are worse offenses imaginable, but why should that be an excuse for allowing it?
Edited by Azreluna on 5/6/2011 6:41 PM PDT
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77 Blood Elf Paladin
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"What does Samus wear under his suit?"
"How come Zelda always saves the princess?"
"LF arena for 3v3 or 4v4!"

Or one I just saw today:

"USA > CHINA. NEVER FORGET PEARL HARBOR."

Look, trolling is old. Even the new trolls are old. Why are they allowed in game?

For the uninitiated (welcome to the internet!), trolling is the process of saying something incorrect, ridiculous, or just plain stupid, and waiting for someone to correct you so that you can say "LOL TROLL" and laugh at them. It adds nothing to the game, and it's a great way of getting people averse to legitimately helping fellow players. So why doesn't Blizzard do anything about it?

When I thought of this earlier today, I thought I'd do a sanity check. Does Blizzard allow it? To find out, I checked the TOS.

B. Rules Related to "Chat" and Interaction With Other Users. Communicating in-game with other Users and Blizzard representatives, whether by text, voice or any other method, is an integral part of the Game and the Service and is referred to here as "Chat." When engaging in Chat, you may not:
(i) Transmit or post any content or language which, in the sole and absolute discretion of Blizzard, is deemed to be offensive, including without limitation content or language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable, nor may you use a misspelling or an alternative spelling to circumvent the content and language restrictions listed above;

(ii) Carry out any action with a disruptive effect, such as intentionally causing the Chat screen to scroll faster than other users are able to read, or setting up macros with large amounts of text that, when used, can have a disruptive effect on the normal flow of Chat;

(iii) Disrupt the normal flow of dialogue in Chat or otherwise act in a manner that negatively affects other users including without limitation posting commercial solicitations and/or advertisements for goods and services available outside of the World of Warcraft universe;

(iv) Sending repeated unsolicited or unwelcome messages to a single user or repeatedly posting similar messages in a Chat area, including without limitation continuous advertisements to sell goods or services;

(v) Communicate or post any user's personal information in the Game, or on websites or forums related to the Game, except that a user may communicate his or her own personal information in a private message directed to a single user;

(vi) Harass, threaten, stalk, embarrass or cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort to any user of the Game;

(vii) Participate in any action that, in the sole and absolute opinion of Blizzard, results or may result in an authorized user of the Game being "scammed" or defrauded out of gold, weapons, armor, or any other items that user has earned through authorized game play in the Game;

(viii) Communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the opposite faction (e.g. Horde communicating with Alliance or vice versa); or

(ix) Impersonate any real person, including without limitation any "game master" or any other Blizzard agent or employee, nor may you communicate in the Game in any way designed to make others believe that your message constitutes a server message or was otherwise posted by any Blizzard agent or employee.


There's nothing in there specifically against trolling. Sure, there are things that sort of almost cover it. You could argue that trolling is "a disruptive effect" (ii), but it's not really interrupting the normal flow of the chat screen. You could call it harassment, but how is it harassing someone when it's directed at no one in particular? Most trolls aren't vulgar, defamatory, or obscene, either, so (i) doesn't cover it.


So what's the story, Blizzard? Is trolling, if not outright condoned, merely tolerated?

Is trolling meant to be against the TOS and simply isn't explicitly stated? If that's the case, I'd suggest it be added.


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Edit: All right, for everyone saying that it's not a big deal, there are other ways of handling the player, this doesn't need to be a rule, etc....

Why is trolling specifically not allowed on the forums?


OHhhhh I get it.....this whole thread is to troll people isn't it?
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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because harassment and trolling are two totally different behaviors.

additionally harassment has a legal issue behind it and it is far easier for Blizzard to simply tell somebody to stop contacting person X or they will be kicked from the game then getting dragged into court in order to divulge the location and identity of player X so player Y can file a restraining order against them preventing them from contacting them either in game or IRL. Plus consider the bad press it would give Blizzard to be dragged into court to give that info.


How is that easier than adding "Don't troll" to the TOS and Blizzard telling somebody to stop trolling? If anything, that seems more difficult.


Like, wow... What if we made the game a better place and everyone actually enjoyed it?
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