Gandalf vs Dumbledore

85 Human Warlock
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Gandalf fought five of the Nine Nazgul at Weathertop for an entire night, and their battle was seen as flashes of lightning and fire miles away. In addition, he fought the Balrog - a nightmare of shadow and flame - for three entire days before throwing the thing down so hard 'he smote the mountain in his ruin'. This was before he became the White Wizard, mind you.

Even in terms of morals, he has Dumbledore beat. Gandalf refused to even sacrifice a halfling and arranged for Frodo to be escorted to the Sammath Naur by himself and five great warriors (plus the three tag-alongs). Dumbledore's idea of help was cryptic mumbo-jumbo that resulted in a goddamn camping trip, of all things. That's not even taking in that for a politically powerful and respected wizard heading the premier school of magic, the man is ridiculously inept in actually doing things, like handling Harry (oh yes, let's isolate the kid who saw Wizard Hitler get reborn after killing a friend right in front of him) and letting Draco Malfoy do the magical equivalent of shooting a loaded gun into a crowd to 'save his soul'. Sure, Dumbledore wasn't affected, but it almost killed Ron, Katie Bell and Slughorn and had the net effect of letting the Death Eaters into a school full of unsuspecting children.

Also, in terms of magic? Arda wins. Melkor creates mountain ranges, Sauron's mere thought triggers storms hundreds of miles away and the battle of wills over the door in the Chamber of Marzabul results in the entire chamber collapsing. Magic in Arda is a matter of willpower; willing things to happen according to your thought and intent. Gandalf wins.

Edited by Alzrius on 5/11/2011 6:29 AM PDT
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87 Night Elf Druid
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Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore!
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85 Blood Elf Priest
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It's been a long time since I sat down and read the LotR, and I really need to again, but someone (a non fantasy reader, picking up on a conversation) once asked me "What's the difference between Gandalf and Dumbledore? They're both wizards, right?"
Rather than spending time explaining the different worlds, the different systems of magic, the different EVERYTHING between the two of them, I thought about it and then said:

"Dumbledore believes that people are basically good. Gandalf believes that people are basically people."

I'm probably way off, since it's been so long, but it was the impression that I got anyway.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Gandalf
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85 Gnome Warrior
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I'll tell you who wins. Malygos.
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90 Tauren Druid
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gandalf the white or gandalf the grey?

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90 Night Elf Warrior
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If Dumbledore surprised Gandalf the Grey he might win. If not, Gandalf would clean the floor with him (his ashes?). Dumbledore wouldn't stand a chance against Gandalf the White, it wouldn't even be a fair contest.
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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GANDALF WITH DESTROY YOU DUMBLEDOR!!!!!!
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85 Undead Priest
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I'd have to go with Raistlin.

But I'll copy/paste someone's elses response to this question that I saw recently:

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'Lemme break it down. Dumbledore is pretty sweet. He runs a school where all sorts of crazy %@@* goes down. He has a bird that spontaneously combusts and a pretty sweet office. Oh and he dies helping to save the world. Pretty badass.

Then there's Gandalf.

First, he finds the root of all evil, and lays out a plan to save the world. When he gets %@@* on by his buddy Sarumon, he escapes by TALKING TO A MOTH, so that the moth can go get his buddy A GIANT %@#!ING EAGLE TO FLY HIM OFF THE ROOF of Sarumon's high-rise. Then he hooks back up with Frodo, and proceeds as he planned to save the world with Frodo and the gang. But wait, HE DIES. It is important to note however, that he dies FIGHTING A GIANT FLAME DEMON WITH A MOTHER%@#!ING WHIP. Now normally dying would be a problem for most people.

%@#! THAT.

Gandalf just shrugs it off LIKE A BOSS and comes back to finish what he started. He also decided to update his wardrobe with some pimpin' white robes. Now fully pimped out, he tells everybody the plan and then dips for a minute to go handle some other %@@* elsewhere, cause that's how Gandalf MOTHER%@#!INIG ROLLS.

Then right when %@@* starts getting %@@*tier at Helms Deep, he shows up WITH EVERYONE. Oh, and did I mention he shows up on the KING OF HORSES....RIDING BAREBACK!!?? So not only does he figuratively have balls of steel, he undoubtedly has ACTUAL BALLS OF STEEL.

Finally, after cleaning %@@* up at Minas Tirith, he peaces out and lets all the hobbits and humans enjoy a world PURGED OF ALL EVIL.

So.

Dumbledore: mentors the younger generation, sacrifices his life for the greater good.

Gandalf: Talks to animals, gives death the middle finger, consistently saves everybody else's ass, and then just leaves everyone with all the spoils of war.

Gandalf WINS.
Edited by Jamboro on 5/14/2011 3:03 PM PDT
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88 Dwarf Paladin
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I say Dumbledore. Simply because he's really epic. Oh, and I hated LOTR. =p
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The first one to pop Counterspell when the other one cannot juke the cast.
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90 Worgen Warrior
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CLOSE THEARD: GANDALF WINS.
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90 Tauren Druid
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If they had an actual reason to fight to the death, Gandalf wins. The HP universe may have powerful magic everywhere, but the good guys are hampered by the fact that the magic with actual stopping power is "evil", and Dumbledore wouldn't cross that line. He'd try to 'clever' his way out of it, which would be hard to do when Gandalf is forgoing magic to simply try to cut your head off.

Gandalf Vs. Raistlin(the fistandantilus version) or Ebenezar McCoy, that'd be a different story.
Edited by Mishotem on 5/17/2011 6:06 AM PDT
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I gotta say it again. OP says "Wizarding Duel to the DEATH". That means no moral self-interventions or pulling back.

Again, I say Dumbledore.

For a couple of reasons. In order to fight to the death, they have to be in the same world, and for the sake of this discussion, that means OUR world, because we'd have to see it to believe it. So Dumbledore has a leg up. Does Gandalf's immortality work when he's not in his own personal universe? Probably not. For all we know, his magic might not work either since the forces of nature are so different. He might be reduced to beating on Dumbledore with his staff or trying to hack at him with his sword.
Whereas Dumbledore has the UNBEATABLE wand, and that does work in our world. And, as headmaster and a former Griffindor, he has the ability to call Godric's sword when in need, and that's unbeatable as well, only taking in that which makes it stronger. Add pheonix tears to heal any grievous wound, and Dumbledore definitely wins. As well as having the ability to apparate, which the white wizard just cannot do, he had to ride that horse to get the back up for the battle w/ Aragorn. No one said it would be a fair fight.
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64 Blood Elf Paladin
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I gotta say it again. OP says "Wizarding Duel to the DEATH". That means no moral self-interventions or pulling back.

Again, I say Dumbledore.

For a couple of reasons. In order to fight to the death, they have to be in the same world, and for the sake of this discussion, that means OUR world, because we'd have to see it to believe it. So Dumbledore has a leg up. Does Gandalf's immortality work when he's not in his own personal universe? Probably not. For all we know, his magic might not work either since the forces of nature are so different. He might be reduced to beating on Dumbledore with his staff or trying to hack at him with his sword.
Whereas Dumbledore has the UNBEATABLE wand, and that does work in our world. And, as headmaster and a former Griffindor, he has the ability to call Godric's sword when in need, and that's unbeatable as well, only taking in that which makes it stronger. Add pheonix tears to heal any grievous wound, and Dumbledore definitely wins. As well as having the ability to apparate, which the white wizard just cannot do, he had to ride that horse to get the back up for the battle w/ Aragorn. No one said it would be a fair fight.


This scenario you created has obvious bias. You separated it in 3 worlds, even though you probably only meant it to be 2, but Dumbledore's world is not our world. There is no such thing as magic in our world therefor it is a separate universe. So in this scenario it would actually be an Old dude with a stick VS an Old with with a staff.
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