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We are one step away from Orc Paladins, Tauren Rogues, and Undead Druids.

What's wrong with undead druids? if you think of it it actually makes sense. Did you know that all those mushrooms in the plaguelands are the direct result of the plague by the scourge? It seems pretty logical to think that undead could become druids because they deal with a lot of plants. As for the feral forms, we can just retcon the lore and just say it's all game mechanics.

As for the feral forms, we can just retcon the lore and just say it's all game mechanics.

This line of thought is what is damaging the quality of warcraft.

05/31/2011 03:18 PMPosted by Adeodatus

As for the feral forms, we can just retcon the lore and just say it's all game mechanics.

This line of thought is what is damaging the quality of warcraft.

and yet it's used all the time. I mean what's so bad about using something that's been used thousands of times before and never fixed?

This line of thought is what is damaging the quality of warcraft.

and yet it's used all the time. I mean what's so bad about using something that's been used thousands of times before and never fixed?

Continual and perpetual retconning is like trying to change the bottom level of a house of cards and still expect it to stand (make sense). Part of what is so enticing about this game is its story and time after time in lore VS game mechanics, lore looses. This dilutes warcraft lore, and by extension, the less lore is set in stone, the less important it becomes till it shrinks to irrelavancy.

and yet it's used all the time. I mean what's so bad about using something that's been used thousands of times before and never fixed?

Continual and perpetual retconning is like trying to change the bottom level of a house of cards and still expect it to stand (make sense). Part of what is so enticing about this game is its story and time after time in lore VS game mechanics, lore looses. This dilutes warcraft lore, and by extension, the less lore is set in stone, the less important it becomes till it shrinks to irrelavancy.

you know you're only supporting my position right? blizzard doesn't really need an explanation when it comes to the story. They can just say that Taurens can now be paladins or that worgen can now be death knights with only a limited number of people asking why it makes sense. If they learn that creating undead druids will increase their subscription list then they'd do it in a heartbeat.

05/31/2011 07:12 PMPosted by Lonus

you know you're only supporting my position right? blizzard doesn't really need an explanation when it comes to the story. They can just say that Taurens can now be paladins or that worgen can now be death knights with only a limited number of people asking why it makes sense. If they learn that creating undead druids will increase their subscription list then they'd do it in a heartbeat.

Blizz giveth, Blizz taketh away

Yeah they can retconn all they want till the point where a new class combination actually makes sense

For the record worgen Death knights made sense, people just haven't rolled one and also forget that worgen existed before the cataclysm in a little place called sfk.

As for tauren we are patiently waiting for more sunwalker lore.. and perhaps tauren priest lore ( ever notice that sunwalkers say "may the suns light protect you" and the tauren priests say "may the light protect you")

I can see Human Shamans more than undead Shamans. The Vrykul, I believe, have a bit of experience with binding elemental stuff, right? Wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that Humans might be able to do that.

What's wrong with undead druids? if you think of it it actually makes sense. Did you know that all those mushrooms in the plaguelands are the direct result of the plague by the scourge? It seems pretty logical to think that undead could become druids because they deal with a lot of plants. As for the feral forms, we can just retcon the lore and just say it's all game mechanics.

Because undead, including forsaken are by their nature, unholy beings that do not belong in nature. The kind of magic druids use wouldn't do them any good.

Not to mention Nature Magic has the same effect as the Light on Forsaken. That said, there are Forsaken Priests. And a Forsaken Shaman could find other ways of talking to the Elementals or getting thier power...

04/28/2012 01:47 AMPosted by Ghentorc

Not to mention Nature Magic has the same effect as the Light on Forsaken. That said, there are Forsaken Priests. And a Forsaken Shaman could find other ways of talking to the Elementals or getting thier power...

Doesn't seem all that necessary to Necro a year old thread since you had only a stark paragraph to add.

That aside, we have no direct evidence that nature magic affects undead as it does with the Light. This is proves particularly true in the case for shamans who deal with elemental and ancestral spirits, not fundamental polarizing energies.

It shouldn't be hard to come with several cases of ghost shaman, but the most blatant evidence against such claims are the Vargul Shaman, who are in the same undead state as the forsaken.
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=26694#drops

They wouldn't get shamans. I could see an undruidism style class or some perversion of nature.

The classes that I could see getting shaman would be Night Elves, Blood Elves, Humans, and that's about it.

Druids the most likely classes to get that next would be Blood Elves, Humans, Orcs, Draenei.

For paladins I could see Gnomes even though the majority are athiest, Night Elves(elune's light), and Trolls(Freethinkers)

As far as the elements are concerned, the Forsaken are dead and unnatural

In direct defiance of the Spirit of the Wild

As far as the elements are concerned, the Forsaken are dead and unnatural

In direct defiance of the Spirit of the Wild

That doesn't stop the twilights hammer undead shamans now does it?

As far as the elements are concerned, the Forsaken are dead and unnatural

In direct defiance of the Spirit of the Wild

That doesn't stop the twilights hammer undead shamans now does it?

Shaman commune with the spirits and gain the elementals favor. The Twilight's Cultists serve old gods who rule over the Elementals and force them to obey. If the Forsaken started serving old gods the horde would lose a playable race.

That doesn't stop the twilights hammer undead shamans now does it?

Shaman commune with the spirits and gain the elementals favor. The Twilight's Cultists serve old gods who rule over the Elementals and force them to obey. If the Forsaken started serving old gods the horde would lose a playable race.

I need to find that quote from last years blizzcon. How did he say it....

"The elements of making a class/race combo, it's all there, we just need to find a way to incorporate it into lore, make it believable."

Shaman commune with the spirits and gain the elementals favor. The Twilight's Cultists serve old gods who rule over the Elementals and force them to obey. If the Forsaken started serving old gods the horde would lose a playable race.

I need to find that quote from last years blizzcon. How did he say it....

"The elements of making a class/race combo, it's all there, we just need to find a way to incorporate it into lore, make it believable."

Well, best of luck to ya.

04/28/2012 05:22 AMPosted by Uziyah

Shaman commune with the spirits and gain the elementals favor. The Twilight's Cultists serve old gods who rule over the Elementals and force them to obey. If the Forsaken started serving old gods the horde would lose a playable race.

You're forgetting all the other methods of shamanism. Popular shamanism has the shaman in a role of veneration, yes, but several other effective methods are shown as well.

Goblins make flat deals with the elements. Trolls can call upon specified Loa like Shango and Lokuo for assistance. Taunka outright force the elements to serve them and they are certainly not of the twilight's hammer. Fel Orc Dark shamans, Naga Shamans, and the shaman other more aggressive races more than likely do the same.

Shamans don't have to serve old gods or kiss up to elementals in order to have their power.

04/28/2012 05:43 AMPosted by Qreslix

Shaman commune with the spirits and gain the elementals favor. The Twilight's Cultists serve old gods who rule over the Elementals and force them to obey. If the Forsaken started serving old gods the horde would lose a playable race.

You're forgetting all the other methods of shamanism. Popular shamanism has the shaman in a role of veneration, yes, but several other effective methods are shown as well.

Goblins make flat deals with the elements. Trolls can call upon specified Loa like Shango and Lokuo for assistance. Taunka outright force the elements to serve them and they are certainly not of the twilight's hammer. Fel Orc Dark shamans, Naga Shamans, and the shaman other more aggressive races more than likely do the same.

Shamans don't have to serve old gods or kiss up to elementals in order to have their power.

Possible, not too sure on how that would go over with Thrall.

04/28/2012 04:41 AMPosted by Qreslix

Doesn't seem all that necessary to Necro a year old thread since you had only a stark paragraph to add.

why did we necro this thread and why are we posting on it? >.>

04/28/2012 05:59 AMPosted by Uziyah

You're forgetting all the other methods of shamanism. Popular shamanism has the shaman in a role of veneration, yes, but several other effective methods are shown as well.

Goblins make flat deals with the elements. Trolls can call upon specified Loa like Shango and Lokuo for assistance. Taunka outright force the elements to serve them and they are certainly not of the twilight's hammer. Fel Orc Dark shamans, Naga Shamans, and the shaman other more aggressive races more than likely do the same.

Shamans don't have to serve old gods or kiss up to elementals in order to have their power.

Possible, not too sure on how that would go over with Thrall.

Considering all the forms a mentioned are already being practiced in the Horde, two during Thrall's reign, and the fact that they have been explicitly shown in use by members of the Earthen Ring, i would say we're fine.