P.E.T.S. Needs Your Help!

90 Dwarf Shaman
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People for the Ethical Treatment of Shamans (P.E.T.S.) is here to help shed some light on the current issues with the Shaman's Ehancement spec.

The most recent buffs to Stormstrike and Unleash Wind are great, and they will help to put more emphasis on the Main Hand. This is a definite step in the right direction, but it only addresses one of many issues that plague the class. The fact is, that if certain issues for the Enhancement spec are not addressed, and quickly, the spec is simply going to die. I will quickly go through some of the most pressing issues for the spec. I will be brief, as the main reason for this thread is a bit broader (Keep reading! The fun stuff is down below).


AoE:

    Simply put, Fire Nova is the most frustrating mechanic that I've ever played with in this game. Period. It is not intuitive for a melee spec. Mouseover macros and facing requirements for multi-dotting are not conducive to mobile, melee AoE. Additionally, the recent changes do nothing to change the fact that it is still best to swap to a caster MH when AoEing.


Scaling:

    Enhancement values haste lower than most DPS spec in the game. This wouldn't be as huge of an issue, if it weren't for the fact that Crit is not much better. Those classes that have low values for Haste retain very good values for Crit. Given the amount of Haste and Crit we see on gear (especially on weapons), we really need to somehow put more value in the two stats. Additionally, we have very little scaling baked into the tree, meaning that as an expansion goes on, the spec just falls further and further behind. This was the case in WotLK, and it will be the case in Cata unless something changes.


Spellpower Mainhands:

    As long as spellpower weapons are still made 2.0 speed or slower, it's going to be an issue, period. Even with the recent changes, the SP axe (2.4 speed) will very likely be the BiS mainhand. If you want us to use it, fine, but we need a definitive answer.


Cooldown/Execute:

    Feral Spirits are a fantastic utility tool. Unfortunately their functionality as our only DPS cooldown is absurdly weak. It's really hard to even call something that does as much damage as a Lava Lash crit a DPS cooldown. The class really needs an additional cooldown, or for spirits to be substantially buffed. If either of those things cannot be swung, we could really use an execute mechanic. We're the only spec that doesn't have either.


So, those are the issues. There are others, which have been covered in countless topics, but those are the big'uns. Now, on to the main point of this thread!
Edited by Cochice on 6/18/2011 8:11 PM PDT
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90 Dwarf Shaman
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In an effort to spread the word about our issues, P.E.T.S., with the help of some notable Enhancement shamans, would like to share with you the following:

    Ashunera - http://i.imgur.com/5uoHN.jpg
    Cochice - http://i.imgur.com/svBpQ.jpg
    Koushirou - http://i.imgur.com/M1u4m.jpg
    Elamqt - http://i.imgur.com/9rYdr.jpg
    Rouncer - http://i.imgur.com/YfXfh.jpg
    Hogman - http://i.imgur.com/BYXwz.jpg
    Matuk - http://i.imgur.com/iHHIQ.jpg
    Hothgor - http://i.imgur.com/XD0ZY.jpg
    Mengus - http://i.imgur.com/lcIIs.jpg
    Palioh - http://i.imgur.com/w1Dwq.jpg
    Purge - http://i.imgur.com/PJ2Iy.jpg
    Jaffnar - http://i.imgur.com/uIp9G.jpg

    And a special appearance by Strawberry - http://i.imgur.com/5mJFf.jpg


Additionally, we would like to name next raid week (June 21-27, 2011) Enhancement Shaman Awareness Week. It is the week before a new Raid Tier is released – a Tier in which Enhancement will assuredly under-perform, unless changes are made. So, in honor of this event, we'd like to encourage all Enhancement Shamans who feel strongly about the future of the spec to join us in wearing your Tabard of Summer Flames for the entire week. Think of this as a ribbon one would wear on their lapel. You might say “But, Cochice, I have the Tabard of Summer Skies!” Not to worry! If you delete your Skies Tabard and go to the Tabard vendor in your favorite city, he/she will give you the option to choose which one you'd like! After the week is up, you can delete the Tabard of Summer Flames and take back your Tabard of Summer Skies. We also encourage those of you who do not play Enhacement Shamans but are sympathetic to our issues to don your Tabard as well. To be clear, we understand that changes like this do not happen over night. However, we also understand that balancing patches happen frequently enough that we might not have to go through the whole tier in this state.


Additionally, I understand that many people don't truly understand the issues that Enhancement Shamans have right now. That is why I'd like to invite anybody who is interested in learning more about the spec to try it out for yourself! I would like to personally offer my services and tank ZA/ZG on the PTR for anybody who is interested in giving it a shot themselves. I will be on a feral druid named Cochice (where/when specifics can be found below). All you have to do is make a pre-made Shaman, set it up as enhancement however you see fit, and talk to me! I will assume that most people taking advantage of this will have not played the spec before. So, while doing this, I will be available to answer your questions, and help you mess around with the spec. I encourage anyone participating in this to try to make full use of Fire Nova, and try to pay close attention to how much DPS you gain with Feral Spirits out. I will be doing this during the following time:

    Date: Saturday, June 25, 2011
    Time: 11:00 AM – 7:00 PM PST. Tentative
    Server: Broxigar (US) PvP (PTR)


If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me in-game on Sargeras, or PM me on EJ under the name Cochice!

I'd also like to remind fellow Enhancers that, while I know it's been a frustrating expansion for our spec, it's important to remain civil and constructive. The PETS campaign is largely symbolic. Its main goal is to spread awareness about issues with the spec. We just ask people remain civil! Thank you!



[Edit] Wow, we've already gotten some great responses, as well as some very cool self-made posters from lots of Shamans out there! Take a look at these:

Devilsoul - http://imageshack.us/f/193/petsdevilsoul.jpg/
Madatom - http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/KillBotX/55370943_125x125-1.png;
Rainixxi - http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/9431/ranixxi.png
Sorä - http://i.imgur.com/r6wHn.jpg
Rixas - http://imageshack.us/f/17/rixasenhancement.jpg/
Stand - http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/2742/standcallsforhelp.jpg
Primálshock - http://i.imgur.com/QsA4N.jpg
Autonomy - http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/220/pets.png
Misandthropia - http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/vampiro666/pets.jpg
Ryrok - http://yfrog.com/z/h2ngtplj
Fjurry - http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1310/fjurrypets.jpg
Svarazic - http://i.imgur.com/kFvCy.jpg
Marashka - http://i.imgur.com/s1Pik.jpg; http://i.imgur.com/t2Lft.jpg
Mahanik - http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n496/MisfitMahanik/Earthfury.jpg;
Zerovii - http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6086/petsadvert.jpg
Thunderhowl - http://imageshack.us/f/109/wowscrnshot061911200746.jpg/
Fòx - http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7742/petsp.jpg
Indraenil - http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/Halfscan/pets_indy.jpg
Vynna - http://i.imgur.com/3CokW.jpg; http://i.imgur.com/SFQee.jpg
Edited by Cochice on 6/25/2011 7:40 PM PDT
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1 Undead Mage
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People for the Ethical Treatment of Shaman? Really?
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32 Human Priest
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resto seems to be doing quite well atm actually.
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90 Tauren Shaman
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Now if only showing images like that were easier.
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32 Human Priest
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so why is it that pures generally only have 1 viable spec per PvE or PvP but hybrids generally have/expect all 3 of their to be viable in both PvE and PvP
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90 Tauren Shaman
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06/18/2011 07:51 PMPosted by Powerwordlol
so why is it that pures generally only have 1 viable spec per PvE or PvP but hybrids generally have/expect all 3 of their to be viable in both PvE and PvP

Because I shouldn't be expected to spec heals to be viable?

Take a look at Priests, Paladins, and Druids. All of their specs are viable, AFAIK.
Edited by Matuk on 6/18/2011 7:54 PM PDT
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06/18/2011 07:51 PMPosted by Powerwordlol
so why is it that pures generally only have 1 viable spec per PvE or PvP but hybrids generally have/expect all 3 of their to be viable in both PvE and PvP


Because we don't rank.
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85 Draenei Shaman
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I love you.

” Not to worry! If you delete your Skies Tabard and go to the Tabard vendor in your favorite city, he/she will give you the option to choose which one you'd like! After the week is up, you can delete the Tabard of Summer Flames and take back your Tabard of Summer Skies.


oh my god are you serious
Edited by Evolutes on 6/18/2011 7:58 PM PDT
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06/18/2011 07:51 PMPosted by Powerwordlol
so why is it that pures generally only have 1 viable spec per PvE or PvP but hybrids generally have/expect all 3 of their to be viable in both PvE and PvP


It's not from lack of effort though. Combat, frost, arcane, affliction, and even subtlety have all seen many buffs in the last 6 months. Hunters have gotten tons of changes.

Pures will always think they only have one "viable" spec because blizzard isn't precise enough to satisfy the raiding elitists. All 3 specs use roughly the same gear so any spec being only a few % ahead of the others will have people all jump to it and call the other spec they were just using "non viable"
Edited by Bludhoof on 6/18/2011 7:59 PM PDT
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06/18/2011 07:51 PMPosted by Powerwordlol
so why is it that pures generally only have 1 viable spec per PvE or PvP but hybrids generally have/expect all 3 of their to be viable in both PvE and PvP


If my dps specs were going to be 20% more ineffective than a pure's dps spec, I would insist all of them be equally ineffective, too. Would not you?
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I personally don't remember a time when enchancement or ele shamans did good dps. In BC, bottom of the pack but at least they brought totems. In Wrath, they did average at best, same with now. And the "hybrid class" argument holds no water, since Blizzard has said they are getting rid of that, and because other hydrid classes have had the ability to do great dps at one time or another. Ferals, moonkin, warriors, and death knights have all been able to top the charts at one point or another, and rets and spriests I don't know if they've exactly topped the charts, but they have done well enough that you feel they are a valuable addition at most or all times.
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06/18/2011 07:27 PMPosted by Cochice
Without question, Enhancement values haste lower than any other DPS spec in the game.


Honestly I think you should remove this line, as arms warriors get less absolute dps from haste than even enhance. But it's like you said, arms has crit that is extremely good and mastery which is solid. Enhance's problem is that both crit and haste are weak. Crit because we have such a high amount from talents (elemental devastation, stormstrike), are an agi class (~20% more crit than plate wearers right off the bat), and have only a 50% crit bonus mod on half our dmg. Haste because lightning bolt is fairly weak relative to our other attack abilities compared to what it was in WoTLK, we don't really have the GCDs to simply add in extra lightning bolts (oftenhave to delay stronger abilities to hit LB), and most of our abilities are now 1.5 sec locked rather than spell gcds.
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06/18/2011 08:09 PMPosted by Auralyne
Without question, Enhancement values haste lower than any other DPS spec in the game.


Honestly I think you should remove this line, as arms warriors get less absolute dps from haste than even enhance. But it's like you said, arms has crit that is extremely good and mastery which is solid. Enhance's problem is that both crit and haste are weak. Crit because we have such a high amount from talents (elemental devastation, stormstrike), are an agi class (~20% more crit than plate wearers right off the bat), and have only a 50% crit bonus mod on half our dmg. Haste because lightning bolt is fairly weak relative to our other attack abilities compared to what it was in WoTLK, we don't really have the GCDs to simply add in extra lightning bolts (oftenhave to delay stronger abilities to hit LB), and most of our abilities are now 1.5 sec locked rather than spell gcds.

You're right, I'll edit it a bit.
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06/18/2011 08:09 PMPosted by Auralyne
Haste because lightning bolt is fairly weak relative to our other attack abilities compared to what it was in WoTLK

I still wish MSW added an extra % of damage/healing to the affected abilities. Would make the proc matter more. I miss when the proc was our most important button...
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90 Draenei Shaman
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Time to visit the Tabard Vendor!
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06/18/2011 07:58 PMPosted by Bludhoof
so why is it that pures generally only have 1 viable spec per PvE or PvP but hybrids generally have/expect all 3 of their to be viable in both PvE and PvP


It's not from lack of effort though. Combat, frost, arcane, affliction, and even subtlety have all seen many buffs in the last 6 months. Hunters have gotten tons of changes.

Pures will always think they only have one "viable" spec because blizzard isn't precise enough to satisfy the raiding elitists. All 3 specs use roughly the same gear so any spec being only a few % ahead of the others will have people all jump to it and call the other spec they were just using "non viable"


Not really. The problem is, they don't address the actual issues that would make the specs competitive enough because traditionally, one in PvP and one in PvE has been "good enough"

For example, Fire needs a small single target buff and a change to the way Impact works - make it a guaranteed proc off of Blastwave, or make it a glyph that makes Fireblast automatically spread it, but loses the stun. Whatever they do, they need to make it more reliable.

Now, the spec would still have issues that need to be addressed next serious PTR cycle (4.3) but that is probably all it would take to put Fire/Arc on equal footing. They don't care though, because Arc is "fine" and that satisfies the quota of a mandatory viable PvE spec. In fact, instead of making the necessary changes to Fire, they nefed Arcane to bring it down and make it closer, which doesn't address any of the actual issues I mentioned.
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