Reckoning Wintrading - 3v3 Rank 1 for 5v5 R1

85 Dwarf Shaman
3795
The story begins with 2 teams.

Vanguards/Debao/Diziet's team; Sushi - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/arena/dragonmaw/5v5/Sushi/
and
Nevz alt's Team; LoL... Wait what?; The link to this teams armory seems broken because of invalid characters in the name, but they are currently at the top of US Reckoning BG ladder - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/reckoning/5v5

The team Sushi has purposefully traded losses to the team Lol... Wait what?.
The team Lol... Wait what? had climbed the ladder to a position close to rank one, and then once reaching this rating, organized games with Sushi, who lost to them, so that Lol... Wait what? could take the rank 1 spot.

Here's a few screenshots of what initially went down;

First Game Win-traded
http://i.imgur.com/RTUSj.jpg

Second Game Win-traded
http://i.imgur.com/s1nd4.jpg

Third Game Win-traded
http://i.imgur.com/vdJZJ.jpg

Fourth Game Win-Traded
http://i.imgur.com/bnAZ2.png

"Sushi" had nothing to lose by organizing this trade, since they hold rank 1 in 3v3 by a large margin, so can afford to lose rating in 5v5, to the team of "Lol... Wait What?".

When they traded with each other, neither team was playing with their actual line up, Team Sushi traded without Vanguards (the ret paladin they played all their games with) while "Lol... Wait What?" queued without a mage (who had played all the games up until that point) and instead played with TWO priests (this is one of the main indications that they intended to trade, playing with two priests in one 5v5 team would greatly hinder their ability to climb the ladder, especially when queuing against top-notch teams)

http://i.imgur.com/TWSol.png - Both teams playing comps they don't usually play while they trade.


The reason they traded with two priests on the team, is because the mage on the team Lol... Wait What? has really low 5v5 mmr: http://i.imgur.com/qbWVz.png

The team mmr, despite the mage's mmr, is 2754.
So if you factor in the mmr gain from the second priest (around 2.5k+ mmr) they would have a much higher team MMR than 2754, so when they traded they would gain upwards of 20 points a win from Sushi.

Another thing to note is that "Sushi" has not Q'd 5's for MONTHS and the first time they all log on and Queue 5's, they vs the (at the time) rank 2 team. This means that they clearly ARRANGED to play with each other, which is "selective Queuing" and is against Blizzard's rules.

"Sushi" also picked up some random priest (most likely with High MMR) to play with them, instead of their own team mate "Vanguardy", who they had played with all season long.

http://i.imgur.com/ER38T.png - this priest

Following these initial trades three members from the 5v5 team Sushi; Venoma, Diziet and Alex
traded with 3 members from the 5v5 team Lol... Wait what?; Zephcow, Worstlock, Worstspriest

They were repaying the favor, by attempting to feed Venoma and Diziet into personal rating range, so that they could receive the rank one title from the 3v3 bracket in their team Sushi Day: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/arena/dragonmaw/3v3/Sushi%20Day/

Both teams vs each other 3:14 a.m - http://i.imgur.com/L5ABp.jpg

Same again; 3:21 am - http://i.imgur.com/wml53.jpg

Nevz's (Zephcow, worstspriest, worstlock) team goes 0-3 - http://i.imgur.com/C9yPF.jpg

The funny thing here, is that the rank 1 3v3 team, Sushi Day, had not queued for months, sitting on the rank 1 spot on the ladder. Then today, they just happen to immediately queue into the players they traded with in 5v5 only moments before.


So lets recap on all the things they've done:

1 - Win-traded; Both teams were online for about 3 hours Queuing and the only teams that either team managed to VS were themselves. Note: They Q'd at 1AM and onwards, hoping to avoid legitimate 5's teams. Following 5v5 they traded 3v3 wins.

2 - Arranged to Queue against each other.

3 - Also possible ACCOUNT SHARING - Look at "Worstmage" armory page http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/dragonmaw/Worstmage/statistic#21:152 , a whole host of new achievements and his highest 3v3 Personal rating - 2282. A 2300 player becomes a 2700 player over the course of 2 days. (Most likely affiliated with Arena rating selling websites).
We also have reason to believe that the shaman "Zephcow" , "Worstpriest" and "Worstspriest" are account sharing as well.

Here's a link to the original post on Arena Junkies:
http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/203398-reckoning-wintrading-nevz-diziet-vanguards/
It is much easier to read and view all the images this way.
Edited by Kollektiv on 6/27/2011 3:45 PM PDT
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85 Gnome Warlock
1370
page not found, can't access that 5v5 team anymore, weird. =/ but yeah nice win trading... just be happy they didn't go 3600 to be super safe (:
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85 Gnome Warlock
1370
06/27/2011 03:40 PMPosted by Scremph
Wait, people still play 5v5?


it's a "safe" way to secure r1 if you were going for it on your 3s.
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85 Night Elf Druid
850
Oh snap. Kollektiv <3
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85 Dwarf Shaman
3795
06/27/2011 03:37 PMPosted by Stoy
page not found, can't access that 5v5 team anymore, weird. =/ but yeah nice win trading... just be happy they didn't go 3600 to be super safe (:


it has "..." in the name, so it makes the team 404, because it can't correctly link you to their 5v5 tame. you can still see their team on the ladder and individually look at each of the players and see that they are in the team etc.

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85 Gnome Warlock
1370
yeah, i did follow the links to each of them, i hope they get their 3s reset for doing this. they haven't played it for at least 3 months, it would be a stupid way to lose r1 but abusing the pr bugs like this can't slip through unnoticed...
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85 Troll Mage
0
Would be really sexy if they reset all toons on the account. most of them have alts recieving glad/r1
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85 Goblin Shaman
1440
doesn't vileroze bot his toons to 85 rofl. It's halarious to see you complain on the forums about people braking tos when i'm sure you've done it multiple times.

you just want rank 1 on that shaman and you're willing to do anything to get it.
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85 Human Warlock
7710
doesn't vileroze bot his toons to 85 rofl. It's halarious to see you complain on the forums about people braking tos when i'm sure you've done it multiple times.

you just want rank 1 on that shaman and you're willing to do anything to get it.

To be fair, botting is a kind of "victemless" crime. Win trading is not.
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90 Undead Priest
6600
Except it hurts everyone in the bg who is hoping to win, and still against the ToS.
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85 Human Warlock
7710
06/27/2011 04:14 PMPosted by Conspiracy
Except it hurts everyone in the bg who is hoping to win, and still against the ToS.

Botting to 85 o.0?
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90 Undead Priest
6600
Misread as botting for honor in BGs.
But yeah, if you bot level via BGs, it's still harmful >_>;
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85 Human Warlock
7710
Misread as botting for honor in BGs.
But yeah, if you bot level via BGs, it's still harmful >_>;


I once heard someone talking about botting in BGs. They said occasionally they would look and find they had the most KBs >.>
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85 Goblin Shaman
1440
Would be interesting if blizzard made an IP check on Kollecktiv to see if he's played other people's account somehow I doubt it's not the case.
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90 Undead Warlock
9200
Would be interesting if blizzard made an IP check on Kollecktiv to see if he's played other people's account somehow I doubt it's not the case.


Even so they wouldn't ban Kollektiv's account. It's not against ToS to play someone else's account. It's against ToS to have someone else play YOUR account.

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86 Human Mage
5245
did the thread on this earlier today get locked or something?


as i read the story, the R2 team had asked to win trade to R1, got denied so the R3 and R1 teams traded brackets to beat the win traders.

It was just lulz all around that people feel less special because they dont have Vicious before their gladiator.

I went hard for Gladiator at the end of S4, ended up falling like 50 pts short... i got over it.
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90 Human Mage
5705
doesn't vileroze bot his toons to 85 rofl. It's halarious to see you complain on the forums about people braking tos when i'm sure you've done it multiple times.

you just want rank 1 on that shaman and you're willing to do anything to get it.

To be fair, botting is a kind of "victemless" crime. Win trading is not.


I strongly disagree with the botting in bg part. Ive had bgs back when botting was bad where half the team of 15 were botters. That crap sucks....
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