I see more interest in running ZA/ZG for valor points than running T11 raids from most of the people that would pug raids. A lot of casuals (who would be pug raiding) can use up all their time each week reaching their valor point cap.
Why pug BWD, BoT, or TofW when you can run ZA/ZG for better gear through valor points?
Once people have their valor gear, I see trying to attempt Firelands as more popular than going back to BWD/BoT/TFW to fill in the missing pieces.
I think they messed up big time allowing you to get so many valor points without raiding and with how time consuming hitting your valor point cap through ZA/ZG is, it likely doesn't leave most casuals with time to pug.
I do see some PUGs happening now that people realize the level of ner%*@e just to see the content, but once people have seen the content I don't see the old gear being incentive with so much new shiny gear available to casuals.
Totally agree. Eliminating the loot incentive to do the previous tier of raids essentially eliminates most motivation to organize and participate in the previous tier of raids.
Ulduar obsoleted by ToC+emblem/point conversion. ToC obsoleted by ICC+emblem/point conversion. And now T11 obsoleted by FL+point conversion.
Blizzard should have three levels of points - i.e. JP/xxP/VP - instead of two.
JP from heroics dungeons.
xxP from the previous tier of raiding + some amount from daily/weekly dungeons + additional amount from daily/weekly ZA/ZG. xxP buys previous tier of gear.
VP from the latest tier of raiding + some minimal amount from daily/weekly ZA/ZG + some amount from previous tier heroics raids. VP buys the latest tier of gear.
- Non-raiding casuals can still get previous tier of gear very readily, and current tier of gear at a slower pace.
- Raiding casuals can do the nerfed previous tier of raids, as it is still relevant in terms of gear and progression, and progress eventually to current tier. Raiding casuals can get previous and current tiers of gear at a faster rate than non-raiding casuals, but slower than raiders.
- Raiders can do current tier of raids and get current tier of gear at the fastest rate.
Voila - previous tier of raiding is still relevant, and players achieve gear and progress at a pace and level proportional to their investment in time and effort.