Add Guild Bank Log/Contents to Guild Profile

90 Night Elf Druid
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I know that a webpage Guild Bank and Log is still not on the horizon (due to the dearth of blue posts responding to calls) but is it possible to add access through the API?

Or is it simply not feasible since it would require Battle.NET account level authentication?
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90 Night Elf Hunter
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they will be adding some form of auth later on btu i dout we will see bank and log data
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Web & Mobile Team
This is very unlikely to be worked on in the foreseeable future.
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90 Human Paladin
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07/12/2011 12:04 PMPosted by Straton
This is very unlikely to be worked on in the foreseeable future.


Anyone who follows the subject knows I have been on this quest since they took them away from us on Feb 16, 2010. Yes, I know the date. Scary, eh? I never pass up the opportunity to post on the subject, as the plethora of people who want them back feel our rational is rarely heard.

Straton, I know this isn't exactly an API topic, but it is related to game data exposed through battle.net, and you are part of the website team. I respectfully submit that while your focus here is providing the API interface to get core data out to third parties, the guild bank logs are the one segment of core data end users (specifically Guild Leaders) need to manage their guilds. It would improve the end users gaming experience.

Cata put a huge focus on belonging to a guild. Part of that focus really needed to include managing a guild, with the guild bank being the most important day-to-day guild asset in need of management. Since the in-game bank logs are useless (and I mean useless in the nicest way possible), the website logs were the only way GL's had to effectively manage the bank. It had to be the single most useful tool for guild management that Blizz offered, and now it's gone. If you ask any GL that was around when it existed, they will say they want it back. In guilds of any size, there is no way of tracking if people are taking more than they are giving, and it just really sucks. I ended up locking down tabs so people had to ask officers for stuff since I couldn't keep up with who was taking what. It really diminished use of the gbank.

To support my statement the in-game logs are useless: My guild has 653 toons (about 210 accounts) and has six 10 man raid teams that raid twice weekly. We provide flasks for 2 cauldrons and fish for 20 feasts for each raid on each night. Pulling the necessary flasks, potions, and fish for one team uses 13 of the 25 log entries on the raid mats tab. Raid leaders then return unused flask/feasts at the end of the raid using another 5 - 9 entries. On nights when three teams are raiding, there's no possible way of knowing if people took a flask or two for themselves.

So there is my argument about the best as I can make it. Please recognize this truly is a needed guild management feature that we used to have, and would be the single most useful feature Blizz could once again provide for guild management. Given the choice of a "pretty" feature like the new mounts and companions page, I think any GL would opt to have the logs back. On a usefulness scale of 1 to 10, I rate the newly released companions and mounts page a 3 (9.5 for prettiness), whereas the return of the extended guild bank log would get an eleventeen bajillion.

Trust me, that's a lot.

I will drive to CA and personally deliver you an ice cold case of your favorite beverage if you can swing getting these back. Yes, I am blatantly trying to bribe you.

Can you give a brief explanation that might shut me up for a bit of why they were taken down and what the big deal is with bringing them back?

Thanks for taking time to read my crit wall of text, and hopefully responding. That is all I'll say on it here since I keep hope alive on the Website Ideas forum...and this isn't exactly an API topic...and I know you will lock the thread...and please don't ban me. lol
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90 Night Elf Hunter
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25 1 Rahvenge Money deposit 2011-01-27 01:13:32 50000 NULL NULL
24 1 Sallenia Money withdraw 2011-01-25 02:13:32 1000000 NULL NULL
23 1 Sallenia Money buyTab 2011-01-10 18:13:32 0 NULL NULL
22 1 Sallenia Money withdraw 2011-01-10 18:13:32 100000000 NULL NULL
21 1 Alaurielea Money deposit 2011-01-10 18:13:32 100000000 NULL NULL
20 1 Alaurielea Money withdraw 2011-01-10 18:13:32 100000000 NULL NULL
19 1 Freakangel Money deposit 2011-01-10 18:13:32 10000000 NULL NULL
18 1 Sallenia Money deposit 2011-01-09 06:13:32 5000000 NULL NULL
17 1 Rahvenge Money deposit 2011-01-08 13:13:32 200000 NULL NULL
16 1 Alyrelia Money deposit 2011-01-03 21:13:32 61010 NULL NULL
15 1 Antonym Money deposit 2011-01-03 22:13:32 3990000 NULL NULL
14 1 Alyrelia Money deposit 2011-01-04 17:13:32 210110 NULL NULL
13 1 Antonym Money deposit 2011-01-02 03:13:32 7170000 NULL NULL
12 1 Alyrelia Money deposit 2011-01-04 17:13:32 165873 NULL NULL
11 1 Thorment Money deposit 2011-01-08 10:13:32 100000 NULL NULL
10 1 Rahvenge Money deposit 2011-01-08 13:13:32 150000 NULL NULL
9 1 Rahvenge Money deposit 2011-01-09 11:13:32 90000 NULL NULL
8 1 Alyrelia Money deposit 2011-01-09 14:13:32 200000 NULL NULL
7 1 Rahvenge Money deposit 2011-01-10 12:13:32 200000 NULL NULL
6 1 Antonym Money deposit 2011-01-11 06:13:32 22920000 NULL NULL
5 1 Antonym Money deposit 2011-01-12 22:13:32 16740000 NULL NULL
4 1 Erodraena Money deposit 2011-01-14 13:13:32 32000 NULL NULL
3 1 Alaurielea Money repair 2011-01-15 21:13:32 75439 NULL NULL
2 1 Freakangel Money repair 2011-01-15 21:13:32 85419 NULL NULL
1 1 Syllalea Money repair 2011-01-15 21:13:32 73118 NULL NULL


emm old money log data ... oh wait thats from 2011... :P
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90 Human Paladin
10045
How'd ya do that?
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90 Night Elf Hunter
11760
imgame data saved and uploaded to a database
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90 Human Paladin
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07/12/2011 05:40 PMPosted by Ulminia
imgame data saved and uploaded to a database


Yeah, that's the problem. You are limited to 25 entries and would have to be online 24/7 to capture all the gbank usage. The old armory logs kept the last ~335 transactions, and you could easily grab the XML. I used a 3rd party app to parse it. It was da bomb.

Sample:

<banklog dtab="" money="200000" otab="" player="Archdomo" rank="5" ts="1262210673000" type="4"/>
<banklog dtab="5" money="0" otab="" player="Riari" rank="4" ts="1262198302000" type="1">
<item count="20" icon="inv_misc_fish_72" id="41813" name="Nettlefish" qi="1" subtype="" type="tradegoods"/>
</banklog>
<banklog dtab="5" money="0" otab="" player="Riari" rank="4" ts="1262198299000" type="1">
<item count="20" icon="inv_misc_fish_72" id="41813" name="Nettlefish" qi="1" subtype="" type="tradegoods"/>
</banklog>
<banklog dtab="" money="0" otab="1" player="Majikku" rank="3" ts="1262195720000" type="2">

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86 Blood Elf Paladin
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I really just wanted to add a +1 to this thread.

As a guild leader, the log data from the old site was INVALUABLE.
I have missed it greatly since it was removed.

Previously, our gbank was completely open to all members, but since this feature was removed, we too are having to dole out items via the officers.

It's a royal pain, and something that I would love to see as a simple, basic, easy to implement xml/json feed.

Heck, don't log more than the current 25 transactions if necessary, just make it possible for me to sc*!@* the data!!!!

If I have to implement a sc*!@*r that pulls the data every 5-15 minutes, and keep the logs on my end I will. I might miss some data during times of extremely high traffic, BUT IT"S BETTER THAN WHAT I CURRENTLY HAVE.


PLEASE!?




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90 Draenei Paladin
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agian they have said no... i would be suprised if it ever happens you would have to rely on 3rd party ingame addons for this..
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90 Human Paladin
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01/11/2012 09:26 AMPosted by Zonous
you would have to rely on 3rd party ingame addons for this..


...which are highly inadequate.

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90 Draenei Paladin
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01/12/2012 02:20 PMPosted by Oxoxoxoxen
which are highly inadequate.

how so besids the obvious 25 transactions log whats else is wrong with other addons?
whata re they missing that you need?
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90 Human Paladin
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how so besids the obvious 25 transactions log whats else is wrong with other addons?
whata re they missing that you need?


<Ox points frantically at the 6 page thread on Website Features forum>

Ummm...that's kind of like saying "other than the fact you are a Pally tank wearing grey INT cloth, why are you so squishy against Deathwing?"

Addons cannot close the gap because they require someone to to open the gbank so the logs can be read before the 25 transaction limit is passed. There are 638 toons in my guild, 5 unique 10 man PvE teams and 2 RBG teams. We provide guild repairs, flasks and feasts for raiders, and at least 2 nights a week there are three 10 man raids going on simultaneously. To accurately record the money log and the raid supplies tab log, someone would have to sit there constantly monitoring the log to capture all the transactions, which is in no way practical.

The old armory log stored the last 450 or so transactions and you could sort it all kinds of ways and grab the XML to parse it.

<sees banhammer glinting in the distance>

Gosh, I almost went off the API topic here!

So as far as the API is concerned... Just like Auctions, Events and Friends, once the web team caves to #occupyarmorygbanklog and restores this feature, it will only be available to players logged in to their Battle.net account, since nobody wants their gbank exposed for the world to see.

As such, the API aspects of this feature will only apply to Blizz internally, most hopefully in the near future.

:D
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5 Undead Warrior
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This has recently bit us badly. Our guild is a fairly sizeable 130 ish accounts. On a weeknight when a number of teams are running there is no realistic way to keep track of whats happening in the GB.

Some sort of API access to these logs would be utterly invaluable just so I (and my officers) can figure out how we can stop haemorrhaging money.
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