The reason for this confusion stemmed from a quirk in the way item hotfixes have to be applied, unfortunately. We hope to have the item's data completely corrected soon so others are not caught off guard by what the tooltip currently states.Yes, obviously Blizzard needs to fix the tooltip on the pattern and the item if they're not going to just make it 3.80 like it ought to be. But, I think the real question ought to be: The weapon has been over nerfed. Secondly, this is not true when comparing the TOOLTIP to current counter-parts... The tooltip is not updated to match the nerf. MMO-champs shows it pre-nerf The pattern is very time consuming to obtain. Time/money spent by crafters: The mats are expensive and time consuming to obtain.
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This is the big stumbling block for me. "No, no, its too powerful at 3.8, we have to move it down to 3.5 so its in line with what we wanted it to be." So you wanted it to be not as good a weapon as other specs' crafted weapons at that level? I would really like to know a little bit more about this change. It seems a good topic for the dev water cooler: "Ilvl; the creation of epic items" or something. The other issue is that Blizzard is aware of the change having already been made, having no intention of putting the weapon speed at 3.8 but intending to change the tool tip... meanwhile there are people in game who are still buying this weapon expecting it to be 3.8. That's terrible. There has to be a better way to handle this than "we'll fix the tool tip soon". I mean, really... leaves a very bad taste in my mouth that this seems ok with Blizzard. |
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So let me get this straight....I can buy gear from the vendors that is superior in almost every way to the BoT,Throne,BWD gear I had....but my sword that I did the same dalies for is not allowed to be on that level. Huh, seems to make no sense to me
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I wish Blizz would just man up and either change the stats to a happy middle so its not a downgrade from a Za/ZG weapon or refund crafters the items it took to create this weapon. Oh wait but that means getting actual service for what we pay for.
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Ok, fine. This explains why it's wrong. I think this thread has gone way off into stat-land when the core issue really is what I stated earlier in the thread. I got the sword because I liked the stats on the tooltip. It doesn't do what the tooltip says it does. It took a fair chunk of time/gold to get the mats to make it. Pretty clear cut bait-and-switch there. I didn't get what I thought I would get, I won't get my time or mats back, and I'm stuck with it because it's soulbound. This does not make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. P.S. Fix the targeting bug. Please. |
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Then why didn't you just make the crafted weapons 359's? Why is it ok that all the others are more attractive than their counterparts. Seems pretty silly. |
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Edited by Omina on 7/29/11 9:03 AM (PDT)
Any word on when the others are being nerfed to the ground like this weapon was?
Cata seems to the be expansion of "Oops our bad, sorry for the mistakes" |
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Except this is a fairly big mistake that could and should have been addressed before people spend their time money and effort on something that wasn't worth it. If someone told you they were giving you a car to build them a house, and you built the house and the mustang you were promised turned out to be an amc rambler, and you were told you should have gone the more difficult route of mugging the car dealer and taking the keys he dropped to earn the good stuff, you'd be mad too. |
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Edited by Kahk on 7/29/11 9:21 AM (PDT)
I had the speeds wrong on the ilevel 378 items... this is corrected in my list now. Funny thing here is that the World of Warcraft website is screwing up  Zoid's Firelit Greatsword and showing no DPS or Speed. Wowhead shows it; not sure about in-game... so Blizzard CS, what place should we be going again to get the correct data?And I just noticed, not a huge thing, but www.wowhead.com has all the TED increased by 1... so wtf? Who's data is correct? |
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This is a very good point. Also, the existence of the Obsidium Cleaver as a BoE kind of blows away all the credibility of Blizzards excuse. You can buy them in the same place you can buy these swords, yet they are 378, full power and retard-strong. Is it ok for 1 handers but not 2 handers? Maybe it's ok for axes but not swords? Because the "it's sellable" excuse is obviously not true. Also, fix the targetting bug. |
We had  Shalug'doom, the Axe of Unmaking parsing a few dps higher then  Masterwork Elementium Deathblade. I'll have to check again.
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Considering that the axe off shannox has a very low drop rate, would it be viable to purchase the polearm off the ah for dps? Is it a dps increase over akirus? Or should I just wait for the pvp weapon that I may be able to obtain next week.
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... the polearm off the ah for dps? What polearm? |
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Yeah the whole reason is smelling like rotten fish.
For one I can buy multiple items from the Molten Front vendors that are better than those of previous raids. I can craft multiple items that are better than those from the previous tier. The ONLY exception to this is the 2-handed sword. They deemed it UNWORTHY to actually be better than the previous tier gear for some unknown reason. Rogues can get newer and better weapons. DW Frost DKs can get newer better weapons. Even SMF fury warriors can. But arms, TG Fury, ret, and unholy cannot. Who exactly decided that this was acceptable? |
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Edited by Ghatok on 7/29/11 9:54 AM (PDT)
I wonder if it's something to do with 2h str weapons. I mean, in the last tier it's the only slot you couldn't fill (that I know of anyway) of ilvl 359 w/o a boe, craft or VP's.
I also hope we haven't scared Zar off :( Edit: By slot, I mean major weapon slot. Again I might be wrong though. |
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Edited by Demise on 7/29/11 9:59 AM (PDT)
Yeah the whole reason is smelling like rotten fish. Someone that hates 2handed Str users, obviously. I'm pretty unhappy that this tooltip problem wasn't announced earlier. What worries me is I've had items restored previously due to a hacked account, will this cancel me out of getting it unbound? If they do grant these, that is. (Having doubts GM's will even do it because they're strict) |
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Here I'll give them a little leeway, I think tooltips are stored on your PC in a WoW file. Therefore they have to patch it to your computer so that takes a little more work. However, I am not sure if the same is true of weapon stats and whether they can be hotfixed (after all they often change spells, but the tooltips remain unchanged). And I have just plugged the i359, i365 and i378 speed, DPS and strength stats into Redscapes Ret DPS calculator and it gave the following: i359 3.6s: 21,808 total DPS i365 3.5s: 21,928 total DPS i365 3.6s: 22,166 total DPS i365 3.8s: 22,639 total DPS i378 3.6s: 23,035 total DPS Even at 3.8s the BoE sword is not as good as an i378 raid drop but I can see them saying it is too good. The problem is that at 3.5s it quite simply is not good enough. 3.6s would probably be fair. And for all their "it is too good to be sold" stuff, especially when you consider the other i365 weapons, let alone the i378 BoE drops from FL, they really should have considered that it takes 6 weeks to grind out the arena wins for an i378 S10 weapon. It is an awful lot less game time to grind the arena wins for an S10 weapon, even assuming you don't break 1500 rating and start earning more points, or get the bonus 1 rBG a week and get the weapon in 5 weeks, than it is to grind 10-20k gold for the BoE weapon. |
