Dragonwrath and YOU

85 Dwarf Paladin
1410
I can't see this causing any problems in arenas....
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100 Draenei Mage
10065
Didn't read through any of this, but i'm hoping the community can clear something up:


if i have 2 FoF charges and cast ice lance, I use 2 FoF charges. BUT, if i have one FoF charge and it duplicates, does that mean my Ice Lance doesn't benefit from FoF? Same goes for BF FoF. The only flaw i see in this (i hope it's wrong), is that would mean DF couldn't duplicate without 2 FoF charges. Anyone care to clear up this mechanic?

I hope it isn't true or the staff is severely undermined for frost while being incredibly good for Arcane (wouldn't be surprised...)
Edited by Switch on 8/12/2011 9:17 PM PDT
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100 Worgen Mage
22790
I'm a bit concerned with the whole interaction with fingers of frost, the proc, and deep freeze. Will it be able to throw a second deep freeze if you only had one charge?

This is something I will test.


Appreciate it greatly, I was digging through your logs though and it would appear I found my answer.

[16:50:03.888] Siiz gains Fingers of Frost from Siiz
[16:50:03.888] Siiz gains Fingers of Frost (2) from Siiz
[16:50:04.281] Siiz's Fingers of Frost (1) fades from Siiz
[16:50:08.413] Siiz casts Deep Freeze on Raider's Training Dummy
[16:50:08.413] Siiz Deep Freeze Raider's Training Dummy Immune
[16:50:08.413] Siiz casts Deep Freeze on Raider's Training Dummy
[16:50:08.779] Siiz's Fingers of Frost fades from Siiz
[16:50:08.970] Siiz Deep Freeze Raider's Training Dummy *74384*
[16:50:09.179] Siiz casts Deep Freeze on Raider's Training Dummy
[16:50:09.719] Siiz Deep Freeze Raider's Training Dummy *74036*


[16:57:42.675] Siiz casts Deep Freeze on Raider's Training Dummy
[16:57:42.675] Siiz Deep Freeze Raider's Training Dummy Immune
[16:57:42.675] Siiz casts Deep Freeze on Raider's Training Dummy
[16:57:42.893] Siiz's Fingers of Frost fades from Siiz
[16:57:43.193] Siiz Deep Freeze Raider's Training Dummy 33933
[16:57:43.320] Siiz casts Deep Freeze on Raider's Training Dummy
[16:57:44.114] Siiz Deep Freeze Raider's Training Dummy 33880

Edited out my derp in reading the log.
Edited by Kuni on 8/12/2011 9:34 PM PDT
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81 Night Elf Death Knight
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Another inquiry, are crits from Dragonwrath's proc restoring mana with Master of Elements?

Is there not anything in the logs that could show this? I haven't looked at the logs that in depth yet, but I will see about this as well.



[16:12:20.581] Siiz Arcane Blast Raider's Training Dummy 43431
[16:12:20.581] Mirror Image Frostbolt Raider's Training Dummy 1314
[16:12:20.581] Mirror Image begins to cast Frostbolt
[16:12:20.581] Mirror Image begins to cast Frostbolt
[16:12:20.581] Mirror Image begins to cast Frostbolt
[16:12:20.721] Siiz Arcane Blast Raider's Training Dummy *88193*
[16:12:20.721] Mirror Image Frostbolt Raider's Training Dummy 1323
[16:12:20.786] Siiz's Power Torrent fades from Siiz
[16:12:20.997] Mirror Image Frostbolt Raider's Training Dummy 1318
[16:12:21.025] Raider's Training Dummy's Slow is refreshed by Siiz

Doesn't look like master of elements procs.
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90 Human Mage
14235


This is something I will test.


Appreciate it greatly, I was digging through your logs though and it would appear I found my answer.

[16:47:30.245] Siiz casts Deep Freeze on Raider's Training Dummy
[16:47:30.245] Siiz Deep Freeze Raider's Training Dummy Immune
[16:47:30.245] Siiz casts Deep Freeze on Raider's Training Dummy
[16:47:30.426] Siiz's Fingers of Frost fades from Siiz
[16:47:30.426] Siiz Deep Freeze Raider's Training Dummy *69223*

No second damage entry. Hopefully Blizz can put a fix in for this, as it hurts frost pretty hard.


editing
Edited by Siiz on 8/12/2011 9:32 PM PDT
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100 Draenei Mage
10065
Siiz, they REALLY need to fix that. If we can only get damaging procs when 2 charges are up......frost isn't going to benefit from the staff nearly as much (that means everything but Frostbolt must be cast with 2 charges up to gain a second damaging effect witch is affected by shatter, and DF won't even do damage). I hope the same doesn't apply to Ice Lance with 1 charge.

Being the first person to achieve it, do you have any way of directly reporting things to fix to blizzard? (I'm hoping they consider that a problem...)

Like honestly i'm blown away....how could blizzard have missed such a big problem with the staff and Frost PvE? (Now that i think about it, ANY proc based spec)
Edited by Switch on 8/12/2011 9:37 PM PDT
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90 Human Mage
14235
I am checking again, don't flip out yet!
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100 Worgen Mage
22790
Yeah it seems I screwed up reading the log as well, so we'll see.

Yeah, it's going deep freeze player spell, immune, deep freeze damage spell, consume FoF, damage, deep freeze damage spell, damage. We're fine. Sorry for any alarm. I was getting my spell IDs mixed up.
Edited by Kuni on 8/12/2011 9:49 PM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
10290
When did Davidn get a name change to Siiz?
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85 Troll Mage
11775
I wish fire would get buffed already, no mage is going to play any spec besides arcane with the legendary.
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85 Troll Mage
9365
In all honesty, I'm surprised Siiz is even posting anything about this staff, let alone posting in the forums and actually answering our questions. Much impressed, Siiz. :)
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85 Orc Warlock
9400
You should just keep posting logs as frost, because it's obviously more important to test because it's a pet spec and warlocks use pets.

I mean that 30 min chunk of data for frost makes me sad because I see a 0.5% damage boost from the staff... like 147k out of 27 million damage. I'm not sure what that's about, but I am going to be pretty !@#$%^- salty if there isn't something different about it for warlocks. As a demonology warlock for 2 years I don't want this damn staff to be garbage for me because my pets are ~35% of my damage....
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If it procs off DF it doesn’t use another FoF charge and it does work if you only have one

Cant tell if it benefits from shatter/ect yet
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85 Troll Mage
9365
If it procs off DF it doesn’t use another FoF charge and it does work if you only have one

Cant tell if it benefits from shatter/ect yet


If it's hitting without consuming a FoF charge, I assume it'd be obeying shatter and our mastery as the spell can ONLY be cast with FoF or a frozen target, where Ice Lance has two different functions with or without FoF/frozen.
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100 Worgen Mage
22790
You should just keep posting logs as frost, because it's obviously more important to test because it's a pet spec and warlocks use pets.

I mean that 30 min chunk of data for frost makes me sad because I see a 0.5% damage boost from the staff... like 147k out of 27 million damage. I'm not sure what that's about, but I am going to be pretty !@#$%^- salty if there isn't something different about it for warlocks. As a demonology warlock for 2 years I don't want this damn staff to be garbage for me because my pets are ~35% of my damage....


Frost's pet is only ~10% of it's damage. We only have one data point so far, and that's apparently a 0.5% increase for 10% pet DPS. Warlocks could have a harsher pet scale, or they could just keep it at 0.5% proc increase per 10% of pet DPS, which would put your 35% at around 1.75%

If it procs off DF it doesn’t use another FoF charge and it does work if you only have one

Cant tell if it benefits from shatter/ect yet


If it's hitting without consuming a FoF charge, I assume it'd be obeying shatter and our mastery as the spell can ONLY be cast with FoF or a frozen target, where Ice Lance has two different functions with or without FoF/frozen.


Agreed. The couple that I've found in the log of single FoF, double DF seems to have roughly the same damage, not anything that would account for even 10% difference.
Edited by Kuni on 8/12/2011 10:01 PM PDT
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90 Human Mage
14235
Deep freeze procs from the staff are not benefiting from shatter even though I have a FoF charge up.Also, if you have 2 charges of FoF and cast deep freeze to consume one charge and that staff procs, the procced deep freeze will not consume the 2nd FoF charge. It seems odd that an ice lance proc would consume the 2nd charge, but not a deep freeze.

22:33:15> Siiz casts Deep Freeze at Raider's Training Dummy.
22:33:15> Siiz Deep Freeze failed. Raider's Training Dummy was immune.
22:33:15> Siiz casts Deep Freeze at Raider's Training Dummy.
22:33:15> Siiz's Fingers of Frost (1) diminishes.
22:33:15> Siiz's Deep Freeze hits Raider's Training Dummy for 64248 Frost.(Critical)
22:33:16> Siiz casts Deep Freeze at Raider's Training Dummy.
22:33:16> Siiz's Deep Freeze hits Raider's Training Dummy for 31459 Frost.

I had 100% crit with FoF up
Edited by Siiz on 8/12/2011 10:41 PM PDT
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85 Troll Mage
9365
Deep freeze procs from the staff are not benefiting from shatter even though I have a FoF charge up.Also, if you have 2 charges of FoF and cast deep freeze to consume one charge and that staff procs, the procced deep freeze will not consume the 2nd FoF charge. It seems odd that an ice lance proc would consume the 2nd charge, but not a deep freeze.

22:33:15> Siiz casts Deep Freeze at Raider's Training Dummy.
22:33:15> Siiz Deep Freeze failed. Raider's Training Dummy was immune.
22:33:15> Siiz casts Deep Freeze at Raider's Training Dummy.
22:33:15> Siiz's Fingers of Frost (1) diminishes.
22:33:15> Siiz's Deep Freeze hits Raider's Training Dummy for 64248 Frost.(Critical)
22:33:16> Siiz casts Deep Freeze at Raider's Training Dummy.
22:33:16> Siiz's Deep Freeze hits Raider's Training Dummy for 31459 Frost.

I had 100% crit with FoF up


So you did have a 5% crit buff from another class and a 5% crit debuff on the dummy? Or were you at 33.33% crit by yourself somehow?

It also seems weird that our FoF consuming spells would function so differently with the proc.
Edited by Steehl on 8/12/2011 10:45 PM PDT
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90 Human Mage
14235
08/12/2011 10:42 PMPosted by Steehl
So you did have a 5% crit buff from another class and a 5% crit debuff on the dummy? Or were you at 33.33% crit by yourself somehow?

I had 5% crit debuff on the dummy, with some crit gear (mainly heavy crit trinkets).
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85 Troll Mage
9365
08/12/2011 10:44 PMPosted by Siiz
So you did have a 5% crit buff from another class and a 5% crit debuff on the dummy? Or were you at 33.33% crit by yourself somehow?

I had 5% crit debuff on the dummy, with some crit gear (mainly heavy crit trinkets).


I guess with full buffs you could get there with Molten armor.

Rather disappointed the staff functions so poorly for Frost. It's probably intentional to keep it from getting crazy in PvP.
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