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Continued from:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3123246109?page=1

A bit of math for the front page:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An699vGZwDtZdHVzVWhIYnhqQmxfaTZYQUsyRk1qNWc&hl=en_US#gid=0

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3123036188?page=1#8


And there's this:

We didn't particularly want a lot of these items in circulation, so that's partially intended. We really do want to keep legendary weapons legendary, and Dragonwrath ended up being more readily available than we were comfortable with.

Nonetheless, we should have recognized that the completion rate was faster than we wanted, and taken action, sooner.

I don't think that's the point most (reasonable) people are trying to argue, though. Every single legendary churned out to date has come from 25 man raids. Some have 1, nearly 2; some have 2, nearly 3.

10 man-focused raids have zero. There are literally no 10 man raids with a finished legendary. The furthest-progressed ones are just starting the Essences grind (last week or this week) and if those guilds were killing 7/7 heroic, on the previous drop rates, at best they'd have their first legendary by the beginning of October. As well, with the Cinders drop-rates, those same guilds clearing 7/7H would still not begin the Essences portion of their second legendary until 2-3 weeks after finishing their first.

It's all well and good to want to stymie the flood of legendaries in the market and no one's arguing it inexcusable to nerf 25-man drop rates (though some are understandably put out that it took this long to ninja in said nerf, well after the best guilds have already finished 2) to accommodate this desire. The Sturm und Drang you're seeing is purely because the nerf impacted 10-man raids as well, in a way that doesn't jive with the reasoning of "too many legendaries spoil the raid". 10-mans don't have any legendaries to spoil the proverbial soup!

So that's the concern. It isn't that you shouldn't fix drop rates; it's that you should fix them in the raid level that's actually causing the issue.

Proceed

Looking at the next tier content when it comes to balancing.

I know it is bit offtopic here,

But how will they balance the next tier content? 25m raids 4-7 staff?, how will they conjure numbers or ways to see if 25m raids will continue to hit Firelands for the staff to make the next tier encounter easier?

How will they hope to close the gab between difficult difference between 25-10m raid size with this staff playing a role for most raiding guilds?

Just wondering...

Looking at the next tier content when it comes to balancing.

I know it is bit offtopic here,

But how will they balance the next tier content? 25m raids 4-7 staff?, how will they conjure numbers or ways to see if 25m raids will continue to hit Firelands for the staff to make the next tier encounter easier?

How will they hope to close the gab between difficult difference between 25-10m raid size with this staff playing a role for most raiding guilds?

Just wondering...

I'd rather not get off topic on the first page of the cont. thread. Bliz is going to ignore this till it goes away. The only real possibility we have that they respond is to stay focused on how TERRIBLE an idea it was to nerf 10m along with 25m.


Also, this graph is still amazing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An699vGZwDtZdHVzVWhIYnhqQmxfaTZYQUsyRk1qNWc&hl=en_US#gid=0

One of the things that you have lost is proper communication, transparency, and respect. These are three key components that an MMO in this market must maintain.

This is what I've been trying to put into words lately. I watch and listen to podcasts for multiple titles, read interviews, reviews and previews. The biggest difference I see between Blizzard and the other developers is not the size of the game, the quality of the game or even the community; it's the communication from the developers.

Trion, ArenaNet, BiooWare; none of those three look down on their customers. They don't treat their customers like they're drooling, moronic sheep that can't comprehend design decisions or why a change is made. Those three companies say "this is why we did X." If the customers ask further questions, quite often, they'll explain it further. And then we have Blizzard.... Stealth nerfs and ignoring customer outcry. I can't imagine why on earth 900k subs were lost.

Communication breeds respect. Transparency fosters communication.

Thank you for continuing my post! :)

Justice to casters who run 10 mans.

This is if you are going 7/7 each week on 10 player:

25 eternal embers, average about 0.75 per boss. This will take you about 5 weeks.

1000 seething cinders, average about 20 per boss. This will take you about 7 weeks.

250 smoldering essence, average 1 per normal boss, 3.5 per heroic boss. You do not get smoldering on ragnaros, so about 42 weeks on normal (6/6), and about 12 weeks on heroic (6/6h).

This is how long it will take, supposing you do a full clear each week:

To obtain a staff only doing normal modes: about 54 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 1/6 heroic mode: about 42 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 2/6 heroic modes: about 35 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 3/6 heroic modes: about 31 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 4/6 heroic modes: about 28 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 5/6 heroic modes: about 26 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 6 heroic modes: about 24 weeks.

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This is if you are going 7/7 each week on 25 player:

25 eternal embers, average about 2 per boss. This will take you about 2 weeks.

1000 seething cinders, average about 55 per boss. This will take you about 3 weeks.

250 smoldering essence, average 3 per normal boss, 9.5 per heroic boss. You do not get smoldering on ragnaros, so about 14 weeks on normal (6/6), and about 4 weeks on heroic (6/6h).

This is how long it will take, supposing you do a full clear each week:

To obtain a staff only doing normal modes: about 19 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 1/6 heroic mode: about 16 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 2/6 heroic modes: about 15 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 3/6 heroic modes: about 12 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 4/6 heroic modes: about 11 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 5/6 heroic modes: about 10 weeks.
To obtain a staff doing 6 heroic modes: about 9 weeks.

It's not very legendary that a 4/7 normal mode raider is going to be able to buy a Ragnaros carry and get the first staff on my realm, several weeks ahead of multiple 7/7 heroic groups, simply because he's 25.

09/07/2011 11:47 PMPosted by Sasofrass

Thank you for continuing my post! :)

Tis for the good of us all, sir.

And you're welcome.

It really comes down to the fact that they messed up trying to keep 25s and 10s balanced with something that shouldnt be balanced in the first place. there should be few of these things all over the place, period. The fact that a server with 5 strong 25man guild in each faction would have close to 50 Dragonwraths across the server is stupid. The same numbers in a 10man would have maybe 10, maybe.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An699vGZwDtZdHVzVWhIYnhqQmxfaTZYQUsyRk1qNWc&hl=en_US#gid=0


pure win, ive been staring at it in disbelief since i saw it

Looking at the next tier content when it comes to balancing.

I know it is bit offtopic here,

But how will they balance the next tier content? 25m raids 4-7 staff?, how will they conjure numbers or ways to see if 25m raids will continue to hit Firelands for the staff to make the next tier encounter easier?

How will they hope to close the gab between difficult difference between 25-10m raid size with this staff playing a role for most raiding guilds?

Just wondering...

I'd rather not get off topic on the first page of the cont. thread. Bliz is going to ignore this till it goes away. The only real possibility we have that they respond is to stay focused on how TERRIBLE an idea it was to nerf 10m along with 25m.


Also, this graph is still amazing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An699vGZwDtZdHVzVWhIYnhqQmxfaTZYQUsyRk1qNWc&hl=en_US#gid=0

That graph is horrifying, also like the post.

As much as it pains me to feed this troll it is impossible for a 10 man to have the staff at this point. My 10 man guild is ranked 30th in the US. We have been doing hardmodes since week two and our GM is just starting to siphon for the third phase next week. Even if we had progressed much faster we wouldn't be very far ahead of where we are now. The spreadsheet says it all to me. How can blizz be ok with 10 mans siphoning souls for 12 weeks and 25 mans having 5 staves in the meantime?

09/07/2011 11:49 PMPosted by Pewpewblast

Someone post the spreadsheet

It's in the original post, right up top.

If the troll who took up so many post spots from the previous thread (both his own posts and reaction posts to his) returns, please, just ignore him ...