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You'll still be eligible for loot in the normal and heroic modes. You can think of the Raid Finder Dragon Soul raid as being distinct from the normal or heroic mode versions. |
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9/29/2011
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Edited by Burlex on 9/29/11 7:02 PM (PDT)
Q. Can I queue with my friends in a party or raid? How about while grouped in a Bnet party? (Works for dungeons, not for battlegrounds) |
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" This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week."
Alright, so my plan is to do my first Raid Finder run on a monday night, everyone will be passing because they did it on tuesday, and i get to get anything i want. In my opinion, just keep the 1 item per week rule no matter how many times you do it, because im sure i wont be the only one waiting until a crap load of people used the raid finder and have to auto-pass. |
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Edited by Daxxarri on 9/29/11 7:04 PM (PDT)
That's still to be determined, though it's certainly something we'd like to make part of the feature. There are still technical hurdles to leap. |
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9/29/2011
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" This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week." Odds are, a lot of people who have raided that week won't be raiding on Monday. |
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" This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week." Indeed, I'd assume most people would probably limit how many times they do LFR simply to not have the horror of seeing the loot they want appear after they're ineligible. Not to mention with the current set of Valor point reward at the end, it be far more economical of time to just run Heroics to valor-cap compare to doing LFR for it. So not much incentive to run yourself through LFR multiple times in a week. |
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So the third difficulty easier than the regular or just split up into two?
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As others have voiced before me - I can't see any tank wanting to queue for this <for gear>.
Tanking gear ninjas are frequent enough in the LFD, but when we're outnumbered 1:3 by dps of the same armor type <assuming the spread is even as the OP suggested> there's not a chance in hell we're going to win the gear we came for. I'll pass, thanks. |
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Edited by Rendia on 9/29/11 7:11 PM (PDT)
The thing that bothers me is the fact that if you don't get loot you don't get loot, but you can continuously run.
It would be better, imo, that you get one win per boss, that way you can't have loot "ninja'd" (I understand it isn't ninjaing in the Nb4G rules, but, like it or not, it IS ninjaing if you aren't in that spec, just plain discourteous) and you would be FAR more likely to not waste your roll on an off-spec item, and it gives incentive to continuously run the raid. That aside, I am really looking forward to the feature, loot rules aside, as this will be my sole raiding experience this expansion (too much RL stuff in the way plus can't find a guild that can work around my schedule). ^ What she said. |
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Edited by Sarevokk on 9/29/11 7:13 PM (PDT)
My biggest concern is over votekick and leaving prematurely. Unless the raid is tuned to have absolutely no challenge whatsoever, the average LFR PUG will be struggling. It's already bad enough trying to herd cats in Baradin Hold. Now, trying to get people on vent, not randomly AFKing, making sure everyone has some semblance of understanding of their class, ninjalooting, I can only see it as an absolute disaster waiting to happen, but my morbid curiosity will entice me to seek it out. There's a few things that really should be taken into consideration:
- The leader. It should NOT be given to someone who flags themselves as 'group leader'. How many people will just check the box? It should be chosen by the person with the highest achievement/ilevel/dungeon kill experience. You should also be able to 'impeach' them without a votekick. Edit - Leaving prematurely. With the problems above, I can only see it being a requirement to be able to bail on a trainwreck run. This should not be penalized at all, in any situation. Especially with the difference in tank needs, the queues should be much faster. - Votekick absolutely MUST be flexible. There are so many players in random raids that have no business being there, and to make it difficult to remove them will drive those who would carry the raid away. - Ninjalooting. Here we go. One loot per boss/week? I can see the DPS DK's rolling on the tank loot as we speak. Gear MUST go by spec tag. I get the desire for you guys behind LFR, but you have to remember who's going to be running the show here - the WoW community. It's like putting a bunch of preschoolers in a room together with no teacher and a whole lot of sharp, and chokeable objects. |
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I think what would be worse if everyone auto-passes and then the loot just sits there and nobody gets it. What a buzz killer. Instead of auto-passing, why not just make it so you can not roll need on it. Or, as the first way I read the post, if you received loot (need or greed) from a boss that week you are unable to receive loot again from that boss for the week. |
My biggest concern is over votekick and leaving prematurely. Unless the raid is tuned to have absolutely no challenge whatsoever, the average LFR PUG will be struggling. It's already bad enough trying to herd cats in Baradin Hold. Now, trying to get people on vent, not randomly AFKing, making sure everyone has some semblance of understanding of their class, ninjalooting, I can only see it as an absolute disaster waiting to happen, but my morbid curiosity will entice me to seek it out. There's a few things that really should be taken into consideration: oooh THIS. however I have to point out that sometimes the people with the most achieves won't even be interested in leading! In my opinion leadership will be the absolutely worst part of the LFR (even 5mans are nightmares trying to organize sometimes) but I'm excited to see how it turns out. |
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Edited by Irinatar on 9/29/11 7:18 PM (PDT)
I prefer ravioli if sauce is involved, or capellini if we're talking olive oil, garlic and parmesan. Yes, I agree. You could say that spaghetti is about as interesting a wet noodle. </badjokemode> |
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"Also, while Dungeon Finder raids aren’t locked, you are only eligible for loot from a boss once per week. This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week."
I will say I believe this is not a step in the right direction. If you got loot, sure, but if you didn't? Basically you're locking out a player from wanting to go back multiple times a weeks since once they fight the boss once, if what they are needing doesn't drop, why bother going again. I know this is just popping up on the ptr, but just my 2 cents on the subject. Most pugs are Need before Greed ( MS > OS), but a lot do implement 1 loot per boss and 1 loot per run, especially on a 25 man as there are many more people there. Allowing 1 loot per boss, per day would be more feasible and more enticing to get people to go back all week long, otherwise you might as well just lock the raid as you do normal and heroic modes. |
