Pet battles and development time

90 Night Elf Mage
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Why didn't you do player housing instead then Zar? It would offer players something else to do at max level, an alternate way to progress and another way to play the game. All the things you are hoping to accomplish with the pet battle system. Unlike the pet battle system however players have been asking for housing for years.

I'm not saying pet battles will be bad but it just baffles me a bit as to why dev resources would go to it instead of somthing a lot of players have been asking for.
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90 Human Warlock
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10/25/2011 12:49 AMPosted by Gnewton
So how do you guys feel about the idea that pet battles are basically an endorsement of dogfighting and cockfighting?


Hunters that can actually use dogs to fight in the game already exist.

How do you feel about that, little gnomie?


Also a piece of that special Pet achieved gear should be a gas mask... Since I can't use mine come 4.3 & I am heartbroken over it.
Edited by Killercaitie on 10/25/2011 12:52 AM PDT
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I'm still waiting on my dance studio.

Blizzard you guys need to learn priorities big time. Money is on the line here. You drop the ball with this xpac and you can kiss your playerbase goodbye.

In an argument where you call pet battles a waste of time, I find the first statement here to be very provocative. That's what you feel should take priority over pet battles, else we lose the playerbase?
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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Great blue post, pretty much sums it up perfectly.

A. Just b/c they are making pet battles does not mean they had to sacrifice making something else that you might have liked more.

B. just b/c you have not seen the request for pet battles does not mean it does not exist, even if it was not expressed at all i guarantee a whole bunch of ppl that dont even know wow has a forums is excited for this. or will be when it comes out.

C. "pet battling" is a tried system that attracts people to a game. obviously made famous by pokemon, but almost every MMO has some sort of pet system that a certain percent of the population for that game becomes very intrested in. I dont want to generalize but a lot of the females i know in game spend as much time collecting pets as anything else.

So yeah it will be popular, its a good move b/c it will keep people that dont do/dont have time to do end game content something to do at level 85/90.
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90 Human Warlock
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10/25/2011 12:54 AMPosted by Zarhym
In an argument where you call pet battles a waste of time, I find the first statement here to be very provocative. That's what you feel should take priority over pet battles, else we lose the playerbase?


How would you like to be stuck doing the Macarana for years?
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10/25/2011 12:49 AMPosted by Gnewton
So how do you guys feel about the idea that pet battles are basically an endorsement of dogfighting and cockfighting?

Is a human killing a tauren our endorsement of bullfighting?
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85 Night Elf Rogue
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Just please.. please.. keep the battles out of my AH. For the love of Elune!

It's like a menagerie in there already.
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85 Night Elf Druid
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This may have been brought up repeatedly but, frankly, I think that the developers need to hear if there is a serious problem with this, and I believe there is.

Pet battles.

Blizzard has, time and time again, told us about their limited dev resources. How yes, they have a pretty big team, but there is only so much work that can be done, and only so many resources that they can allocate. Personally, I think they must construct additional pylons (yes, token lighten-the-mood statement) but that's me. However, they also reveal the "Pet Battle" system at Blizzcon.

Pet battles? Why? Who wanted this?

I understand the Pandaren. I hate them, I don't want them in the game, but I understand them, and I understand that a lot of people want them. Fine. But who wanted a Pokemon rip off in WoW? Where was the gigantic outcry from the fanbase that we needed our vanity pets to battle each other for no apparent reason? Who screamed for trainers located in the far corners of the world that you had to go defeat so you could take over their gym...er...learn from them? Anyone?

This expansion is going to be divisive. I think looking around at the official forums and various fansite forums it's pretty easy to see that. What people are missing in the "Pro-Panda vs Anti-Panda" rant threads is where development time that could be used to further *World of Warcraft* is getting lost, and one place it's squarely being lost is the Pet Battle system.

Assuming the pics from Blizzcon are just Photoshop mockups, then I'd beg/urge/demand/grovel for the devs to please, please, please let this "feature" die. Don't waste a single man-minute of programming or art or even thought time on it from this day forward. If the system is already mostly done, coded, etc...then it is a sad waste of time, and there is no way that any player who cares about this game can believe the devs when they say "we just don't have the resources to do all this cool stuff, sorry." Even if a single person worked on this system (which we know isn't possible, as it has art assets, programming, terrain, quest mechanics, battle mechanics, etc) it'd be a waste of time. That person could have worked on improving the PvP experience for players who want to kill each other, or designing new and exciting raid content zones or stories or assets, or enhancing the leveling experience pre- and post-expansion.

Now, of course, people are going to say "all you're doing is whining, what would you *want* them to do with this development time, smartypants?" Well, I can think of a few things offhand...

Abyssal Maw: It didn't "fit the story", but we somehow got Thrall jaunting all over creation being angryThrall and maudlinThrall and...kinda drowningThrall. You guys have story writers for a reason, make it work.
Rogue Vanish: This is still broken I think.
Heroic Leap: Same deal.
Dance Studio: Yes, I think it's a frivolous waste of time, too, but you had originally slated that for BC...3 expansions ago. Finish it?
Cross-Realm mail: Databases don't like to talk? Dev time for fixing that!
Bolvar: He's no longer on fire, but he's still sitting up there...doing...something...maybe some insights into that? Why didn't he do anything when Deathwing came back? He knew (through the Scourge) that it happened, he didn't want to unleash the fury?
Various terrain exploits: You've stated they exist, devote dev time to them?

Those are just a smattering of things that could have time devoted toward them, and I tried to span art/terrain assets, raw programming, and story progression so we could get all the major chunks into one thought process.

Now, I realize that this thread, if anyone even reads it, is likely going to devolve into flaming, trolling, insinuations that I'm just whining or complaining or should just shut up and deal or quit or any number of other, non-useful responses. I'd appreciate if we could keep it civil. The purpose of this thread, honestly, is to show Blizzard that people need to be able to trust them when they say they don't have the time to deal with real issues that currently exist, instead of bringing out ripoffs of other franchises (this isn't even an homage, it's a ripoff).

Thanks for reading.


I totally agree. The "Pet Battle" feature was not something i heard anyone asking for when there HAS been things asked for such as the OP had posted. WoW doesn't need a poke rip-off to keep people playing surely. The man power to make this waste of time should have been used elsewhere. I'm still waiting on my dance studio.

Blizzard you guys need to learn priorities big time. Money is on the line here. You drop the ball with this xpac and you can kiss your playerbase goodbye.
I quoted this for impact. Being a forum scout for so many years. This pet battle system was not largely asked for. Yet it is being stated as a majority claim. If anything is of a majority claim .. so many have asked Blizzard to fix the female worgen model. Has it .. nope. Even in Cata beta its testers noted it needed fixing, and even now remains unfixed. And yet they claim to listen ... -le sigh-. Also, another that has been mentioned over the years by many is increasing the polygons in the character models .. we are still waiting. Yet, over the years aside from all the noted forum requests, player requests .. I manage to see random inclusions. and Blizzard quoting that it was a majority requested function. With no validity in backing from its community. So it only leads to wonder where their majority standpoint is coming from. Me thinks its solely confined within their development department. Tied with a nice bow of a untruth of "its what you all requested".
Edited by Sünde on 10/25/2011 1:00 AM PDT
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85 Troll Druid
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I for one am rather excited about making my sinister squashling the most powerful NCP on the server.

Also, I would really like to see player housing and/or factional warfare that actually has tangible goals and effects on the world (No, not like Tol Barad - Like physically attacking and taking over zones.)
Edited by Kalicor on 10/25/2011 12:59 AM PDT
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10/25/2011 12:49 AMPosted by Taveria
Why didn't you do player housing instead then Zar? It would offer players something else to do at max level, an alternate way to progress and another way to play the game. All the things you are hoping to accomplish with the pet battle system. Unlike the pet battle system however players have been asking for housing for years.

Player housing, like the dance studio, are nowhere near the ballpark of pet battles in terms of development time. This goes back to the final point I made in my original post. You can't just put a huge list of features on an equal timeline and decide which to throw out.
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85 Tauren Druid
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Is a human killing a tauren our endorsement of bullfighting?


Don't even joke about that, Z, that's like the Holocaust for us, man.
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85 Night Elf Druid
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Why didn't you do player housing instead then Zar? It would offer players something else to do at max level, an alternate way to progress and another way to play the game. All the things you are hoping to accomplish with the pet battle system. Unlike the pet battle system however players have been asking for housing for years.

Player housing, like the dance studio, are nowhere near the ballpark of pet battles in terms of development time. This goes back to the final point I made in my original post. You can't just put a huge list of features on an equal timeline and decide which to throw out.
However, a far more worthy progression would have been player housing. If you wish to go the whole socialism route aka pet battling, and whatever else is later designed. While I may not be of the same line as Blizzard, I also code. And logically speaking .. even if I was to really take a side point to everything. Player housing has a larger benefactor of gains, than the current. Then pet battling could have been a inclusionary measure later on.
Edited by Sünde on 10/25/2011 1:06 AM PDT
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90 Gnome Warlock
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10/25/2011 12:59 AMPosted by Zarhym
Player housing, like the dance studio, are nowhere near the ballpark of pet battles in terms of development time. This goes back to the final point I made in my original post. You can't just put a huge list of features on an equal timeline and decide which to throw out.


Though I requested and backed that suggestion for some time, I'm glad you're not doing it. What we need is to get players out into the world, not more time in instances.

That said, any chance of a Halaa equivalent to give World PvP a shot in the arm, come MoP? I'm not talking a Tol Borad equivalent, I mean a Halaa equivalent. Something that effects the people questing/playing in the zone (or perhaps the continent) and offers rewards based on participation.
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15 Tauren Paladin
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Pigtail hairstyles for human females.

Hinthinthinthinthint.


Don't worry Caitie, I overheard one of the game model devs in the men's room say that they were going to create a Human female "caitie ponytail" in your honor.
Edited by Holyfrikncow on 10/25/2011 1:07 AM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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10/25/2011 01:03 AMPosted by Sünde

Player housing, like the dance studio, are nowhere near the ballpark of pet battles in terms of development time. This goes back to the final point I made in my original post. You can't just put a huge list of features on an equal timeline and decide which to throw out.
However, a far more worthy progression would have been player housing. If you wish to go the whole socialism route aka pet battling, and whatever else is later designed. While I may not be of the same line as Blizzard, I also code. And logically speaking .. even if I was to really take a side point to everything. Player housing has a larger benefactor of gains, than the current. Then pet battling could have been a inclusionary measure later on.


lol how is pet battling in any way socialism, you gotta look up that word.

Player housing takes a lot more effort then making pet battles, ive played a couple games that had player housing and most of them promised it for years before finally delivering it, and it never lives up to expectations.

Also they have said they are not pursuing it so i doubt you are gonna convince them otherwise.

Bottom line pet battles will keep a lot of casuals subscribed into MOP, its not supposed to please the more hardcore people, is for people who dont do end game content at the moment, which is a lot of people.
Edited by Relinquizher on 10/25/2011 1:08 AM PDT
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10/25/2011 01:01 AMPosted by Sorreal
For instance, how 'bout that update to the old races you people keep promising?

Again, it's something we've already said we're intent on doing. Will it impact various development teams in an extremely different way and require way more resources? Absolutely. You're talking about a project resting almost solely on the art team, which is always busy developing new art for each patch and expansion. Pet battles rely more heavily on the UI team, as well as the other systems designers and programmers. And those resources aren't at all comparable with each project.
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