Shred not getting the mangle buff

100 Tauren Druid
ONE
10510
When there is a sub rogue in the raid my shred hits for a ton less
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90 Night Elf Hunter
10845
Are you speaking of the rogue talent Hemorrhage? It provides the exact same buff as Mangle which only affects Bleed damage. Shred does not do Bleed damage, it does direct physical damage so the fact that there is a Subtlety rogue in your raid putting up Hemorrhage and overwriting your Mangle should not effect Shred's damage at all.

This report needs to be elaborated on immensely in order to test whether or not there even is a bug.

How did you test it?
Do you have any evidence?
Where were you? What mobs were you hitting?
What was the raid composition?
When did this happen?
How often did it happen?
Is it replicatable?
What are the steps to replicating this?
What are the workarounds?
When does it not happen?

I could continue, but I think you get my point. Please, if this is bugged, the QA team would be more than happy to test it, but without any real information, they can't do their job properly. A bad bug report helps no one and doesn't help get a bug squashed, either.
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100 Tauren Druid
ONE
10510
Mangle buffs shred's damage as if it wasd a bleed. I know hemorrhage provides the same debuff, what I am saying is that the hemo debuff is not working with shred

I tested it by going to a target dummy with no buffs and shredding for more than i do buffed in raid
Edited by Thunderhorn on 10/26/2011 8:02 PM PDT
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90 Tauren Druid
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Have you tested this outside the raid on a dummy?
EDIT: Posted this before above post was edited.
Edited by Littlelion on 10/26/2011 8:03 PM PDT
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100 Tauren Druid
ONE
10510
How did you test it?
as i said above

Do you have any evidence?
I have 3 hours of combat logs if the devs want to take a look

Where were you? What mobs were you hitting?
doesn;t matter, if he is there my shred is garbage, if he is not it is fine

What was the raid composition?
25 man, we had some of everything

When did this happen?
I noticed yesterday and today, for all of firelands

How often did it happen?
all raid if we were on the same target

Is it replicatable?
it happened for 8 hours in the last 2 days. I will try ot get a rogue to go to a test dummy tomorrow

What are the steps to replicating this?
I will let you know tomorrow

What are the workarounds?
none that I can see, I did crap damage all raid

When does it not happen?

When the sub rogue is not around
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90 Night Elf Hunter
10845
The only thing I can think of is that you are testing it with no Bleed effects on the target - the talent Rend and Tear from the feral tree (sixth tier talent) increases Shred damage by 20% when a bleed is on the target. Are you seeing this with ONLY Hemo on the target when you Shred? No Rake or Rip or anything?

I can always grab a rogue and test on my feral druid. We don't run rogues very often (I think DNMT has like two...) so our feral druid raiders would really not notice this kind of thing. >_> Thank you for more information, Thunderhorn. Generally speaking, if I don't have enough information to test something, it's pretty tough for Blizzard to test it, too. =)
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90 Tauren Druid
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In case someone is confused and lost...

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=5221/shred

Shred the target, causing 540% damage plus 56 to the target. Must be behind the target. Awards 1 combo point. Effects which increase Bleed damage also increase Shred damage.


http://www.wowhead.com/spell=48434

Increases damage done by your Maul and Shred attacks on bleeding targets by 20%
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90 Night Elf Hunter
10845
Indeed, Torzak, which is why Hemo should be increasing Shred's damage, yes? As well as Trauma from Warriors and Ravage from Ravager pets that hunters can tame, in addition to Mangle.
Edited by Amilyra on 10/26/2011 10:45 PM PDT
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100 Tauren Druid
ONE
10510
Yes it should be working with all forms of mangle/hemo/trauma/ravage. I have not had the oportunity to see if it fails on trauma or ravage but one of the rogues in our guild runs Sub and it is killing me

The only thing I can think of is that you are testing it with no Bleed effects on the target - the talent Rend and Tear from the feral tree (sixth tier talent) increases Shred damage by 20% when a bleed is on the target. Are you seeing this with ONLY Hemo on the target when you Shred? No Rake or Rip or anything?


I don't mean to sound elitist, but I have been playing a feral for about 5 years. I know I need the bleed on the target for rend and tear to work
Edited by Thunderhorn on 10/27/2011 5:30 AM PDT
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100 Night Elf Druid
17970
Here is what he is talking about


[19:25:39.326] Thunderhorn gains Improved Icy Talons from Diabolical
[19:25:59.777] Thunderhorn gains Retribution Aura from Junoah
[19:26:21.256] Thunderhorn gains Horn of Winter from Diabolical
[19:26:31.870] Diabolical's Improved Icy Talons fades from Thunderhorn
[19:26:36.347] Thunderhorn gains Resistance Aura from Metrolol
[19:26:46.230] Thunderhorn gains Tol'vir Agility from Thunderhorn
[19:26:47.789] Thunderhorn gains Battle Shout from Nikoris
[19:26:48.911] Thunderhorn gains Devour from Thunderhorn
[19:26:48.911] Thunderhorn gains Totemic Wrath from Fire Elemental Totem
[19:26:49.043] Ragnaros afflicted by Mangle from Thunderhorn
[19:26:49.419] Thunderhorn gains Matrix Restabilized from Thunderhorn
[19:26:50.168] Thunderhorn gains Earthliving from Youbetrollin
[19:26:50.239] Ragnaros afflicted by Rake from Thunderhorn
[19:26:51.538] Thunderhorn Shred Ragnaros *42002*
[19:26:51.723] Thunderhorn gains Tiger's Fury from Thunderhorn
[19:26:51.807] Thunderhorn gains Ancestral Fortitude from Youbetrollin
[19:26:52.098] Thunderhorn gains Berserk from Thunderhorn
[19:26:52.802] Thunderhorn Shred Ragnaros *46423*
[19:26:53.508] Thunderhorn's Mangle fades from Ragnaros
[19:26:53.508] Ragnaros afflicted by Hemorrhage from Infective
[19:26:53.962] Ragnaros afflicted by Rip from Thunderhorn
[19:26:54.280] Ragnaros afflicted by Hemorrhage from Infective
[19:26:54.826] Thunderhorn Shred Ragnaros 16351
[19:26:56.098] Thunderhorn gains Savage Roar from Thunderhorn
[19:26:57.493] Thunderhorn Shred Ragnaros *34314*
[19:26:57.739] Thunderhorn's Tiger's Fury fades from Thunderhorn
[19:26:58.348] Thunderhorn Shred Ragnaros 14777


None of his buffs faded; the only difference seems to be Glyphed Hemorrhage
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90 Night Elf Hunter
10845
Thanks for the data, Fuzzy. That doesn't sound elitist at all, Thunderhorn, but I always try to go over the simple mistakes first and quickly. It's just part of troubleshooting. Thanks for the report; I'm sure the QA team has put this on today's to do list. =)
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100 Tauren Druid
ONE
10510
Thanks Fuzzy, I didn't know you could get information that detailed off of WoL. I was trying to find a good example in the WoW combat log
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100 Tauren Druid
ONE
10510
deleted - double post
Edited by Thunderhorn on 10/27/2011 9:23 AM PDT
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100 Night Elf Druid
17970
No problem; I'm just glad you had public logs up, because this is definitely something that needs to be looked into and fixed.

You can get pretty much anything you need out of the parsed logs there, but it can definitely be tricky to find the data. If you have any free time you should check out their documentation forum and look over a couple of the threads there, the Intro to WoL and then the Expression Editor threads should get you off to a very good start. =)
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85 Night Elf Druid
10970
Maybe Ferals will get some much needed love now that Blizzard is splitting us up and removing the "Guardians".
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90 Worgen Druid
12790
That's... unfortunate. I've also been able to replicate these results. I'd like to test with another Feral, a Warrior and a Hunter pet to see if it's any outside Mangle source, rogue exclusive, if hunters are included, or if it's bugged entirely if a Feral is not providing his/her own mangle.

Seen here:

[12:35:00.336] Reesi casts Shred on Raider's Training Dummy
[12:35:00.336] Reesi Shred Raider's Training Dummy 14410
[12:35:02.177] Reesi Rip Raider's Training Dummy *13045*
[12:35:02.800] Reesi casts Rip on Raider's Training Dummy
[12:35:02.820] Raider's Training Dummy's Rip is refreshed by Reesi
[12:35:03.989] Reesi Rip Raider's Training Dummy 6333
[12:35:05.298] Vexate casts Hemorrhage on Raider's Training Dummy
[12:35:05.298] Vexate Hemorrhage Raider's Training Dummy 4127
[12:35:05.298] Reesi's Mangle fades from Raider's Training Dummy
[12:35:05.298] Raider's Training Dummy afflicted by Hemorrhage from Vexate

[12:35:06.082] Reesi Rip Raider's Training Dummy 6333
[12:35:06.788] Reesi casts Shred on Raider's Training Dummy
[12:35:07.028] Reesi Shred Raider's Training Dummy 11127

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/m21kwp4lh1b91smz/sum/damageDone/
Edited by Reesi on 10/27/2011 9:49 AM PDT
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100 Tauren Druid
ONE
10510
This really sucks, our guild is getting ready for4.3 and choosing raid spots and I look like crap
Edited by Thunderhorn on 10/27/2011 10:12 AM PDT
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85 Tauren Druid
9600
Confirmed that it DOES work with an active mangle from another feral.

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/onpfpkk8nqz65rkr/details/6/?enc=bosses&boss=52571

DOES NOT work with hunter pet debuffs.
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85 Night Elf Warrior
15680
Me and Reesi tested, Trauma/Mangle work fine, Hunter/Rogue do not.
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90 Worgen Druid
12790
Confirmed that it DOES work with an active mangle from another feral.

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/onpfpkk8nqz65rkr/details/6/?enc=bosses&boss=52571

DOES NOT work with hunter pet debuffs.

Works with Trauma.

Confirmed it doesn't work with Hunter pet: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/xcowq7n51k8wiz60/
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