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Healsforpie The Wolf Pack, Master of Muppets, (xfered new name unknown)
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he claimed to be a co Gm of The Wolf Pack
worked hard to get officer in my guild
ninja'd 10 stacks of items in each tab
Edited by Inyourgrill on 11/3/2011 3:30 AM PDT
Shut up and report him in game, and you can get the stuff back. Posting a player's information over the forums is harassment and will at least net you a temp forum ban.
On an unrelated note that UI made me die a little on the inside.
Edited by Liax on 11/3/2011 5:22 AM PDT
Is it still ninja'ing if you make him an officer, give him access to withdraw from the guild bank, and set no limitations on the amount of daily withdrawals from said guild bank?
edit: and I clicked just to see the UI.
Edited by Takamura on 11/3/2011 7:33 AM PDT
Considering the only way to "ninja" something is to be allowed access to that slot then yes it can still be classified as ninjaing. The only real way you could ninja is if you broke into it, which obviously you can't. However Blizzard never promises restoration to gbanks as it depends on a case-by-case situation.
The fact is, at an average of 500g each, the truegold alone is worth just shy 35k, and adding the rest it's probably worth close to 70k or 80k, or maybe more.
Due to the quantity he took. it's value in gold, and the fact that I'm sure he gquit afterwards there's a decent shot at getting it returned. It can vary based on how much time he spent in the guild, and what not. If he joined for less than a week or something I'd be betting against him. If he was in the guild for years, and sounds like he wasn't, then there would be a chance not to have anything happen. Really the only one exempt from any action taken is the guild master since anything in the guild is now something s/he owns.
The longer the OP waits to report it the less chance he has of it getting returned though.
As for Tomax's comment...well Tomax is Tomax and I will not grace him with a direct response from me.
Edited by Liax on 11/3/2011 2:51 PM PDT
the ui is maped out to my merc stealth keyboard and mouse
and blizzard will not be restoring any items removed but they confirmed it was him and from his IP and its a ninja when you go offline for 2 days come back to take the items then xfer off the server, there were limitations set
Just to point out
If you've already tried an in game ticket and got denied head over to the CS forum and state that so the CS mods know that and hopefully they will look into whether you have a case. They may not be able to do anything for you, but they can come back and say "yeah this looks like ninja looting open up another ticket" or they could come back and confirm that you won't get anything back.
It will also matter on the rules within your guild for withdrawing stuff. If you give everyone free access all willy nilly then you're probably going to be boned.
But from one thread I read "Cleaning out a bank (or at least maximizing the withdrawals), and then xferring off makes the intent pretty clear"
Edited by Liax on 11/3/2011 4:51 PM PDT
Finally point...here is a Blue post.
This is like those arguments you read about people rolling Need on an off spec gear; it's not ninja'ing if they're using in-game mechanics to achieve an end.
The Guild Master gave him access to the guild bank, made him an officer, gave him authorization to make unlimited withdrawals, all mechanics supported by the guild command and control architecture. The GM should have realized that precaution should have been exercised.
This isn't a case of ninja'ing. Ninja'ing is what Imperium does when they host pug raids, tell everybody that it's MS > OS, nothing is reserved, set it to Master Looter, and loot DBW to themselves regardless of the rolls, and leave group. Yes, in that case, they're using in game mechanics as well (setting it to Master Looter, which by everyone staying, they impliedly consent to), but they're also reneging on their statement that "nothing is reserved".
This is a case of a gullible and overly trustful Guild Master and an individual who took advantage of that gullibility.
I'd imagine that they only way that this could receive appropriate reaction would be if the alleged ninja explicitly or implicitly stated that he would stay in the guild a long time or that he wasn't going anywhere-- in other words, blatant misrepresentation.
I do agree with you that Blizzard would probably refund his items based on the amount in controversy; however, I'd find such a response inconsistent with their own reasoning when confronted with their loot dispute policy. And honestly, whether the 'ninja' took 100k worth of stuff or 100g worth shouldn't really make a difference either.
I guess I just get to counter your argument by relinking this
All subjective since he doesn't actually specify what is considered a scam, and even suggests that when it *is* considered a scam, they MAY step in.
Regardless, moot point since the OP already said that Blizzard is denying restoration.
The in-game GMs have a ton of conflicting opinions.
I will concede that there may be nothing done, but honestly it seems like this is a case Blizzard would. I've heard the details about what happened, and the only thing going for him is that he didn't ask for the ranking that granted the promotion. Otherwise he displayed attitude like he wanted to expand the guild through recruiting. They may not do anything in the end, but Inyourgrill and I have talked in game. I've suggested a couple of steps for him/her to take and if they do nothing well now he's wiser for it. It's just in game stuff and in MoP it won't matter. It's a catastrophe at this point, but will be spilled milk in MoP which is probably less than a year away.
do we need to remember the grim UI thread, and how terrible it was?
inb4 it's changed, i watched the stream of normal rag attempts when you guys were doing it, still terrible.
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