Save Alterac Valley!
11/08/2011 02:28 AMPosted by Vaelkyri
This isn't a good thing. Trust me on this.
You may be thinking it was a good thing back in the day, but why would one want to waste so much time on a stalemate?
Becasue it was fun, this is a GAME, games are about wasting time on fun. Not farmrng for te epik lootz.
How bout that...some just dont get that *shakes head* tee hee
Im all for buffing AV.
Im also for the removal of strands
Strand of the Siege Tanks? Yeah, I could do without that one. And Isle of Wallquest, let's take that one out as well. Then I won't have to risk deserter when i queue for random.
"A 'Brief' History of Alterac Valley"
"Why Isn't AV Fun Anymore?"
I have to admit though, the first few times you get into AV it can be hugely intimidating to not have any idea what to do because there is so much you can do. (aside from zerg rush that is) I only recently found out what to do with blood and armor, still have no idea where to turn in the flesh. Only once have I been in a game where people have played it in a more classic style and I loved it! It didn't feel so much like a race where one of our towers was assaulted 3 seconds before theirs at the beginning so everyone just give up and let them win.
I would rather have the chance to experience the old AV (though I'm not sure I want a 17 hour BG, but I like the idea of it being on par with a PvE raid in length) then have another Tol Barad or Winter Grasp. I did enjoy WG way more than TB currently.
I think the original length was too long, but something akin to 1-2 hours perhaps?
That is still long, provides more time for interesting strategies (the quests could be changed to suit this game length) and still lets people complete the thing in one go.
BUT - There are alternatives
The main issue is the Epic BG's intended game play is simply being bypassed in favour of running straight to the boss for an easy PvE kill, netting fast Honor and Conquest (6-8 minute) without engaging in any PvP at all.
Q: How do you ask the playerbase to play the BG content as entended?
A: YOU DON'T ASK! - You design the game with mechanics that inforce the necessity of attending to, and progressing the intended objectives.
You want towers/bunkers to play a role in progressing the BG? Simple;
- Put Up A Gate at the entrance of DB (at the chokepoint town side of the bridge), and a Gate between the walls at the chokepoint entrance to FW.
- Capturing, and burning the teams 2 field towers destroys the Gate, and allows you to progress into the Keep.
Done. No more bypassing all the intended gameplay of the most Epic BG, and running straight to the PvE boss for an un-deserved income of PvP Honor and Conquest points.
There you have it, simple design which encourages intended game play.
By their own admission, they'd rather pour their considerable resources into a creating a frivolous and highly redundant pet battle system from whole cloth -- an isolated system that provides no benefit, progression or advancement for the player, is neither PvE nor PvP and therefore has nothing whatsoever to do with playing one's class, and is the very definition of "busy work" -- than even attempt to restore this grand old battleground to something resembling its former glory.
And to all those with questionable reading ability complaining that they do not want the return of 17-hour AVs, go back and read posts #1 and #2 again. The idea is to remove it from the random BG rotation and have it last the length of a typical PvE raid, not an entire day. It's about injecting PvP back into AV, and making the battlefield objectives something worth fighting for again.
01/19/2012 11:34 AMPosted by DraksyenNecroing old threads will get your hand slapped... For 7 days.
From the "Welcome! Please Read!" sticky at the top of the forums:
Do not "bump" posts.
The act of posting simply to bump a thread is considered spamming. This also includes bumping very old threads for no reason (called "necro bumping" or "necroing").
Emphasis mine. Reznov's post was on-topic and certainly not spamming nor "for no reason". The post just prior to his was within two weeks, not very old.
In fact, the only substantial gap in the entire thread is from 1/5/2012 to today, otherwise it's been mostly continuous.
I am completely for old Alterac Valley!
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