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Hi there!

I'm an Unholy DK/Survival Hunter/Subtlety Rogue!

According to you, I and millions like me, simply haven't discovered the "optimal" way of playing these specs. The reason for them underperforming is because we suck, as opposed to them suffering from mechanical problems compared to their counterparts.

Since I'm such a terrible player, I'd love for some Blizzard insight into how I can play my spec(s) and get those amazing results you seem to think I'm capable of.

I'd also love it if you could tell me how my spec can handle things like:

-Excessive movement
-On demand burst single target and aoe damage
-Bad scaling
-Target switching problems

I'm listening Blizz.
Teach me!

Signed.

Survival has little to no wiggle room in the DPS cycle, none in the glyphs, none in the spec, and almost none in our stat priority.

But we're obviously not playing right. /eyeroll

I've played hunter for 6 or so years. I may not be the best in the wolrd, but I understand the ways of the hunter. I guess, according to Blizz, I don't.

Please teach me , too!!!

Signed.

Survival has little to no wiggle room in the DPS cycle, none in the glyphs, none in the spec, and almost none in our stat priority.

But we're obviously not playing right. /eyeroll

Didn't the devs say something along the lines of your pet damage being amazing and making you raid capable? or was that only for BM?

You've taken what they said completely out of form. I'm not going to babysit posters on thinking for half of a minute to understand where they are coming from and why they said that, but maybe re-read it with an open mind.

I love you, and I love this thread.

/signed

11/09/2011 12:44 PMPosted by Sensations

You've taken what they said completely out of form. I'm not going to babysit posters on thinking for half of a minute to understand where they are coming from and why they said that, but maybe re-read it with an open mind.

Not really.

Broken mechanics are being ignored.

Blizzard is thinking purely in terms of "These specs are capable of x DPS, so they're fine".

Essentially, we're being told: L2P.

I think the answer is has something to do with counterattack, or maybe take ISS. No survival hunter takes those, so maybe we need to l2p and use those.

11/09/2011 12:50 PMPosted by Llanthanum

I think the answer is has something to do with counterattack, or maybe take ISS. No survival hunter takes those, so maybe we need to l2p and use those.

The thought of playing Survival with ISS makes me nauseous.

11/09/2011 12:47 PMPosted by Oberoth

You've taken what they said completely out of form. I'm not going to babysit posters on thinking for half of a minute to understand where they are coming from and why they said that, but maybe re-read it with an open mind.

Not really.

Broken mechanics are being ignored.

Blizzard is thinking purely in terms of "These specs are capable of x DPS, so they're fine".

Essentially, we're being told: L2P.

To the min-max players of course, but I feel it needs to be looked at more of a "People just play the spec with the highest dps no matter if it's 1,000 or 10,000 more, give other specs a chance?"

Seems like in Blizzards mind, if you aren't a caster, you don't matter and can go sit down at the back of the bus.

It's NOT ABOUT NUMBERS.

Do you not get that?

It's about mechanics. These specs have mechanics that need serious fixing. That's why they aren't played.
Blizzard assumes we're stupid, don't know the numbers they're capable of, and tells us L2P.

This thread is a little abrasive, but I don't know what kind of reaction they expected other than this with an answer like that.

I expect it was a case of poor wording.

I hope.

I like this thread. I don't like Unholy much, but I'll bump it anyways in the hope that maybe the next Q&A won't be so focused on Warlocks and Druids.

Oh hai. Can we please act like adults when addressing Blizzard? Don't give me some ridiculous excuse like "they're treating us like idiots," as if that somehow excuses you for acting like a child. Courtesy does not work that way.

The answer they gave was horribly worded, but I understand what Blizzard was trying to say: a lot of people look at the performance of specs on, say, WoL and think that one spec is superior to another inherently, rather than trying them out. That hardly excuses the fact that Blizzard needs to make its developers take some writing classes (at the very least), but you should try to understand where they're coming from.

Regarding mechanics: the number one reason why people flock or flee from specs is performance, not mechanics. This has been demonstrated throughout WoW's history. Time after time players have suffered through horrific mechanics and playstyles in order to perform better for their guild or whatever, sometimes for entire expansions. Sony, Oberoth but there's no empirical evidence to back up your protests.

If you want to complain about bad mechanics, complain about them. Don't try to assert they're the reason "nobody" plays Unholy: it's almost certainly its relative performance vis-a-vis Frost.

So....which is it? We don't know how to play our specs or we do? And as we've made a point of, it's not the lack of dps that deters us from playing said specs (at least inthe case of Unholy,) but the mechanics that greatly favor opposing specs.

11/09/2011 01:31 PMPosted by Waylandyr

So....which is it? We don't know how to play our specs or we do? And as we've made a point of, it's not the lack of dps that deters us from playing said specs (at least inthe case of Unholy,) but the mechanics that greatly favor opposing specs.

True for unholy, but SV is mechanically easier and more forgiving than MM. But it still does worse dps except on very rare occasions.

11/09/2011 01:24 PMPosted by Valsorn

If you want to complain about bad mechanics, complain about them. Don't try to assert they're the reason "nobody" plays Unholy: it's almost certainly its relative performance vis-a-vis Frost.

That "relative performance" is nearly completely dependent on said mechanics. Frost simply has superior mechanics allowing a greater flexibility.

L2Love = More DPS


doesn't sound very DKish