A Brief History of Alterac Valley, Part II

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90 Orc Hunter
9465
Uprated and endorsed.

That said, give it up Foury, Blizz has shown quite clearly that the current design paradigm is exclusively McWoW- or WoWlite.

They dont give a damn about the dedicated players, only the quick bucks from the adhd gogogogonownownownow (sadly) majority.

Check out GW2 WvWvW, everything we want- and not held back by WoWs ageing engine and imo failing design team.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_versus_World
85 Draenei Shaman
1420
I liked AV in it's infancy however it could be toooooo long. And by long I recall one that went on for a couple days heard of some that went a week. Standing outside of Balinda's keep trying to summon the elemental while the horde tried to stop us: epic.
85 Undead Mage
1915
I really hope classic AV makes it back in to the game.

and if it does, they need to add Foury as a neutral boss.
85 Human Mage
0
I really hope classic AV makes it back in to the game.

and if it does, they need to add Foury as a neutral boss.


That would be six shades of awesome.

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"Save Alterac Valley Letter Writing Campaign"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3559105968
"Why Isn't AV Fun Anymore?"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2743697818
85 Human Mage
0
11/24/2011 09:38 AMPosted by Sãphirã
I liked AV in it's infancy however it could be toooooo long. And by long I recall one that went on for a couple days heard of some that went a week. Standing outside of Balinda's keep trying to summon the elemental while the horde tried to stop us: epic.


Well, if it's taken off the random queue then anyone who doesn't want to play it doesn't need to. Plus, one of the suggestions we've been throwing around is that players who've been in AV more than 30-40 minutes be allowed to leave the battle without penalty as long as someone else is available in the queue.

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"Save Alterac Valley Letter Writing Campaign"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3559105968
"A 'Brief' History of AV, Part I"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2952885503
"Why Isn't AV Fun Anymore?"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2743697818
80 Gnome Rogue
1515
Old AV was the most fun and captured the true essence of "Warcraft" to me. Not this "raiding" crap that the PvE loving EX-EVERQUEST hardcore DEVS brought into Warcraft. Old AV was at the very heart of the Alliance vs Horde struggle, two large forces with multiple class types and units clashing over every last scrap of ground.

It is an absolute travesty that this awesome battle was taken away and i'll always feel resentment towards the Dev decision to devolve AV into what it currently is...a silly PvE race.
100 Gnome Warlock
5495
Cool stuff,never played the original AV but I have had some fun in the battles that lasted to it's maximum time and wishing it could have gone on much longer. Alot more fun when you have a gang of players and meet the same amount of enemy on a road and have a complete slugfest.
I'd much rather play this way then waiting for enough players to ninja their way to the boss and end the game. Not exciting. Probably why I see so many just playing in the middle of the field of strife because you can get some pvp there. Kinda like the feel of a big arena. I'd like to try the old AV,to bad it's not just a process of pullin out the ole floppy and letting players try it again and then have a vote. Hey,while yer at it bring back the old Wintergrasp battles,should have just worked on it instead of adding a trainwreck called Tol Barad.
85 Human Mage
0
Well, it looks like this thread is staying in General. Help keep it afloat by continuing the discussion.
85 Tauren Paladin
7685
11/19/2011 10:11 PMPosted by Tavrus
This is amazing, and Blizzard really needs to look at this and consider putting these changes into effect and bring back classic AV.

Sadly Blizzard has said it won't happen. A few months ago a Blue (I forget which) said they "have no plans" to bring back any previous iterations of AV. Essentially, that means they won't do it. They gave some evasive excuse about old patches, old mechanics, etc; none of which actually addressed the issue at all.

Basically, what it comes down to is, no one at Blizzard wants it back; or at least no one in a decision making position.

I also recall a thread discussing the 20 minute timer being added to WSG and Blizzard's reply was that they think (lolwut?) players want short BGs, therefore the timer in WSG and the reinforcements added to AV. They think players want nothing that lasts much longer than 20 minutes, tops. Of course, the outcry that followed that blue post saying they're wrong was, as usual, ignored.
85 Human Mage
0
They think players want nothing that lasts much longer than 20 minutes, tops. Of course, the outcry that followed that blue post saying they're wrong was, as usual, ignored.


The issue isn't even so much that they are including shorter content, but that all of the content is short now. Players who want to try longer content aren't even given the option to do so.

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"Save Alterac Valley Letter Writing Campaign"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3559105968
"A Treatise on Bluetip Threshers"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3424907465
"Why Isn't AV Fun Anymore?"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2743697818
85 Human Rogue
1330
I started playing WoW near the beginning of Cata, so I never really participated in the classic AV. But, I remember being twelve years old and watching a friend of mine play (the classic) AV and thinking to myself, "I need to play WoW, because this looks incredible." Of course, my computer wasn't good enough to run it at the time.

But when I think of WoW as a whole, the first thing to come to mind is AV. And I have to say, frostbolting that hunter three times and then dying while my buddy was taking a leak was the most thrilling experience of my World of Warcraft life.
85 Night Elf Druid
3460
Original AV was the most fun I ever had playing Wow. It was the high that got me addicted to this game. I've been chasing it ever since and Wintergrasp was the only thing that came close.

1) Please bring it back.
2) Remove it from the random queue so that people have to want to enter
3) Update the rep rewards with pvp off set pieces to make it worth doing
4) Make it worth less honor then speed grinding bgs so the let's hurry up and lose players stay away.
5) Have Van & Drek drop pvp set pieces incisive an incentive to win and not just turtle all day at the bridge. (Not the latest season so the arena/rated bg types don't throw a fit)
6) Have soldier and officer npcs as well as enemy corpses drop the occasional boe blue along with the turn in stuff and gold so players will loot them.
7) Replace the AV trinket with a tabard that will return you to the keep


85 Human Mage
0
5) Have Van & Drek drop pvp set pieces incisive an incentive to win and not just turtle all day at the bridge.


Hmm.

Well, there are already raid bosses that drop PvP gear, and Classic AV would be a considerably more difficult battleground than any other. It could work, but who would loot the body? The game ends immediately when the General dies; Would a player at random get the loot?

_________________________________________________________________________
"Save Alterac Valley Letter Writing Campaign"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3559105968
"Why Isn't AV Fun Anymore?"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2743697818
90 Night Elf Hunter
12470
battleground that may have once been good is now an awful, boring place to farm honor.

next story please.
85 Human Mage
0
battleground that may have once been good is now an awful, boring place to farm honor.

next story please.


You sound like you've given up.
100 Human Mage
7320
You've certainly got my support. I dearly miss old AV - as others have said, some of the most fun I've had playing this game was in AV. The struggles were downright epic, with the Horde and Alliance pushing back and forth many times within a single game. It also felt awesome knowing that even if you couldn't fight extremely well (as I couldn't, being under level 60 for much of my initial time in AV), you could still make a big difference in the battle by making sure your mine stayed captured and by doing turnins. In essence, it was a battleground where gear and level advantages were greatly watered down. Simply outgearing the opposing team didn't have even half the effect in AV as it did in other battlegrounds.

Something else worth noting is the role that AV played in gameplay. I always likened it to the PvPer's equivalent to a 40-man (or now, 25-man) raid in terms of time spent and organization needed, with WSG and AB being something closer to a 5-man instance. Today, this slot is left empty; PvPers have no real equivalent to a raid. All battlegrounds today are definitely within the 5-man range of difficulty, and arenas are roughly equivalent to a group quest. This role needs to be filled for PvPers longing for a more substantial and satisfying battleground.
85 Human Mage
0
12/02/2011 08:22 AMPosted by Chroesire
Something else worth noting is the role that AV played in gameplay. I always likened it to the PvPer's equivalent to a 40-man (or now, 25-man) raid in terms of time spent and organization needed, with WSG and AB being something closer to a 5-man instance. Today, this slot is left empty; PvPers have no real equivalent to a raid. All battlegrounds today are definitely within the 5-man range of difficulty, and arenas are roughly equivalent to a group quest. This role needs to be filled for PvPers longing for a more substantial and satisfying battleground.


Blizzard is happy to give PvP'ers a PvE raid (Baradin Hold), but they don't seem to understand that we're PvP-oriented: We want a PvP raid. Alterac Valley used to be that raid.

_________________________________________________________________________
"Save Alterac Valley Letter Writing Campaign"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3559105968
"Why Isn't AV Fun Anymore?"
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2743697818
Edited by Foury on 12/2/2011 1:29 PM PST
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