05/07/2012 09:58 AMAnd I have said !@#$ because they think they are the better raiders for raiding 25m and therefore know more than anyone else even when they aren't performing the role so we had no choice but to talk to each other instead of them since they wouldn't listen.
Posted by Impiety
Well I know I am the better raider because I can count on my two troll fingers the number of times I wasn't top DPS in our near 8 months of raiding. In all honesty, I felt I had more experience then most members, and there was clear evidence of that. I know certain members had problems they could not control that caused their DPS to be lower,and as far as I am aware Classick and Shieb's tanking was good enough to do heroics. During our raiding I listened to anyone that asked me for help or just wanted to suggest something, just because I might have decided against a suggestion doesn't mean I didn't listen, it means that I felt it was not the right way to go. I'm not saying everything I decided was right, but at the time I felt it was.
05/07/2012 09:06 AMThe things I herd from people from people on both sides showed a poison that made me sick.
Posted by Olmin
At this point its fairly evident that neither side is willing to admit they were in the wrong, so arguing to try and convince the other side is pointless.
05/07/2012 02:44 PMCaz said that you guys didn't want to raid util MoP, but people still wanted to raid even if you didn't want to, what did you expect would happen?
Posted by Ceb
I expect that you would all continue raiding like I did. You could have tried recruiting more for the guild and kept doing guild runs, I know that at least one person had the ability to do what was needed in the guild to do so aside from editing the officer notes that we used to track DKP, but no one asked me to have permission to do that. In fact the multiple times I was asked to talk to Classick so he would give up GM so you could continue to raid no one said what you needed the gm position for and I asked many times. Of course you could have just left the guild and joined another to raid, like I did, their are many guilds on the sever you could have joined.
05/07/2012 02:44 PMI did this to warn others, in case if you start a new guild and pull more of the same crap.
Posted by Ceb
Just to clarify, you do mean form a successful raiding guild that went 2/7hc fl after starting halfway through the tier, then going 1/8hc ds while constantly losing more raiders weekly until it got the point were we could no longer accomplish the goal of the guild, becoming a heroic progression raiding guild.
05/05/2012 10:41 PMIs that why Caz continually posted that you all decided to stop our raiding be of "no progress" when you and shieb continually didn't rotate CD's properly? And tried to blame us.
Posted by Impiety
If you thought they didn't rotate CD's properly perhaps you should have been more vocal about it when it happened, rather then wait until after the fact. As far as I can remember I addressed any problems that were brought to me as best I could, this wasn't brought to my attention. I thought we were having issues because some people struggled to hit a button at the right time on heroic ultraxion, but maybe I'm wrong.
05/06/2012 09:19 PMThe only reason people took their toons out was because the guild was inactive; there were people that wanted to move on and actually continue to progress, tho this was made difficult due to the rank system (amongst other things).
Posted by Drainin
Again, I'm still unclear as to how the ranking system caused any problems, all I ever heard was "Ask Classick to give one of us GM so we can raid." Exactly what "other things" are you referring to?