LFR loot exploit is so bad. Free Tier for all

100 Goblin Mage
15375
Sad thing is this is what someone from paragon has said on the matter:

"If, for some reason, Blizzard breaks their pattern and starts handing out actual severe punishments, then I'm going to be happy as hell. It gives a chance that such exploiting won't be tolerated in the future. It'll also make guilds seriously consider before doing something stupid like what happened with LFR. Right now you're better off trying to cheat if the primary goal is to win the PvE race."
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1034351-LFR-Exploit-Discussion/page64 (post 1270)

This is what has been allowed to develop over the years.
90 Troll Hunter
12505
I'd like to see something be done about this. Maybe a week long ban for all of the offenders? This is reminiscent of instance cascading from Classic when you had guilds running 5+ BWL run on the same characters in a week. In those cases, the loot was stripped and the people were given one week bans. Why can't it be the same in this case?

It figures that a new exploit would be introduced via LFR.


Why only weeklong? The gaming community would be better without such cheap players. Get rid of them permanently.


They will simply get a new account, re-level, re-gear. You won't get rid of the player permanently. Simply screwing with their race is punishment enough, anything more than that is just an annoyance.
100 Undead Death Knight
12760
You have banned players for much less then this. The punishment needs to be severe.
100 Blood Elf Hunter
16535
Sad thing is this is what someone from paragon has said on the matter:

"If, for some reason, Blizzard breaks their pattern and starts handing out actual severe punishments, then I'm going to be happy as hell. It gives a chance that such exploiting won't be tolerated in the future. It'll also make guilds seriously consider before doing something stupid like what happened with LFR. Right now you're better off trying to cheat if the primary goal is to win the PvE race."
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1034351-LFR-Exploit-Discussion/page64 (post 1270)

This is what has been allowed to develop over the years.

He is absolutely right. That's a commentary on the state of the game.
85 Blood Elf Priest
1285
Yea, I wouldn't perm ban people, but they would need a significant penalty to make it mean something against the whole "Right now you're better off trying to cheat if the primary goal is to win the PvE race." mentality.
90 Blood Elf Warlock
14860
This thread on DREAM Paragon's forums is rather... well, read it for yourself.

http://www.paragon.fi/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2959

Their players you see in armory with gear removed have likely unequipped it manually to foster speculation. There are still players online with 4/4 tier equipped and 17+ LFR runs indicating gear was not universally stripped, if at all. I'm sure we'll know the full story within 24 hours.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightnings-blade/Rinku/advanced
12/02/2011 01:28 PMPosted by Panazonik
Wrong. When loot rolls pop up on your screen, even if you pass on everything, you're locked out of seeing or receiving loot from that boss that week. At least, that's what it's SUPPOSED to be.


Thanks for the correction. Then it really is a matter of making multiple runs with the "same" alts and cycling in mains that do not share the same tier tokens. Still, working as intended.

Of course, anything that sidesteps the intent of only getting one chance at loot from one boss per week would be an exploit. Again, simply pointing at an armory as "proof" is just Haters Gotta Hate talk.


The exploit is well documented at this point and has nothing to do with the rotation method. In the rotation method, you still only get one chance at loot per boss, you just have zero competition. The exploit gave offending guilds as many shots as they needed to acquire the entire LFR loot table for every character in a single lockout period.

The proof is the blue response in this very thread that Blizzard is aware of and is fixing the exploit, and they are deciding what to do about the improperly acquired gear.
85 Night Elf Druid
4415
The number of people that did this is too great to hand out a severe punishment. The most they will do is remove the ill gotten gear.
85 Orc Warlock
12080
12/02/2011 01:39 PMPosted by Drafted
The number of people that did this is too great to hand out a severe punishment. The most they will do is remove the ill gotten gear.


So the morale of the story is, if you see the top guilds in the world cheating, hurry up and cheat too, because you can get away with it if the top guilds are doing it.

Good lesson, Blizzard.
90 Orc Death Knight
13690
So your saying if only one guild did the LFR exploit they would have a harsher punishment than 100 guilds doing it?

Still doesnt change the fact , that they all clearly used an exploit to excel.
85 Night Elf Druid
4415
So the morale of the story is, if you see the top guilds in the world cheating, hurry up and cheat too, because you can get away with it if the top guilds are doing it.

Good lesson, Blizzard.


What would you have them do, bite the hand that feeds them? Multiple guilds on pretty much every server did this, they aren't gonna risk that many subs.
100 Blood Elf Hunter
16535

Still doesnt change the fact , that they all clearly used an exploit to excel.

How is this not the way of the world?

Isn't putting formulas in your TI-83 a rite of passage for all high schoolers in math, chemistry and physics?

Yes these guilds did a very unsportsmanlike thing. But really stop feigning outrage or call for blood and bans. People exploit each other every day of the week. It's part of being an adult.
100 Worgen Death Knight
12210
12/02/2011 09:48 AMPosted by Shujenka
The extra gear people got at least on EU realms is being stripped right now:


A slap on the wrist for what should be a 3 week ban. Want to cheat? Lose your chance at world first.
85 Goblin Death Knight
1975
What about the gear they got with that gear? I'm sure having this advantage allowed them to progress more rapidly than normal and probably already replace at least some portion of the lfr loot.
85 Orc Warlock
12080
So the morale of the story is, if you see the top guilds in the world cheating, hurry up and cheat too, because you can get away with it if the top guilds are doing it.

Good lesson, Blizzard.


What would you have them do, bite the hand that feeds them? Multiple guilds on pretty much every server did this, they aren't gonna risk that many subs.


What would I have them do? Permanent bans for anybody involved in this cheating, at any level. If they want to play the game, let them buy a new game and xpac, and level characters again.

They have to make it clear that cheating and exploiting won't be tolerated. Top progression guilds spend more time finding ways to exploit and cheat during progression season than they do polishing their play and strats. Progression raiding is nothing but a giant competition to see to can cheat the hardest and the fastest.

Make an example of everybody involved in this.
90 Orc Death Knight
13690
the world? anyway back to the subject in hand... the game has rules, these guilds/players broken them by exploiting. They should recieve a punishment equal to the likes on anyone else that usually gets caught for exploiting! Plenty of guilds out there determind to use strats, mechanics, gearing and skill to down raid encounters... without exploitation.

In the end most of the people who have exploited will probably agree that they are in the wrong.
Edited by Baelroc on 12/2/2011 1:52 PM PST
70 Night Elf Druid
1435

Still doesnt change the fact , that they all clearly used an exploit to excel.

How is this not the way of the world?

Isn't putting formulas in your TI-83 a rite of passage for all high schoolers in math, chemistry and physics?

Yes these guilds did a very unsportsmanlike thing. But really stop feigning outrage or call for blood and bans. People exploit each other every day of the week. It's part of being an adult.


This is why my company is busy hiring chinese software developers - the American ones are worthless because all they know how to do is cut corners.
90 Blood Elf Warlock
14860
It's been patched, no action has yet been confirmed.

As always, if you see someone exploiting, report it. The action that is taken against them is between the exploiter and Blizzard.

I would expect to see the gear stripped for characters where a certain global variable is found, as the mechanic that was exploited was widespread and easy to accidentally implement. Individual actions beyond that will be at Blizzard's discretion after the gear is stripped, probably.

Else, worry about yourself and take this as a lesson to neither encourage, not actively participate in exploits and it will not impact you.

Wait for more official disclosure before continuing to speculate. It's hard, I know.
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