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12/09/2011 10:57 PMPosted by Kiriel

I don't think many people have Maw of the Dragonlord yet (you lucky thing!). However, if it works on the same principle as everything else, it shouldn't.

Oh no I don't have it yet either, Madness decided to drop 2x agi daggers for us this week, and I forget what he dropped last week but it wasn't the mace either. Just curious for whenever we get one, because in case it for some reason did give everyone it hits a stack I'd want to make sure whichever healer has the mace makes sure to equip something else for the fight. But it sounds like we can assume for now that it doesn't add stacks

I don't think many people have Maw of the Dragonlord yet (you lucky thing!). However, if it works on the same principle as everything else, it shouldn't.

I'm still trying to figure out which spell id is related to the adding of stacks. I've found the ones that give the general debuff for 25 seconds and the ones that cause explosions but that's it. I'd be grateful if anyone knew the answer or, even better, could construct a WoL expression for the expression editor that could clear up any misunderstandings. I've just spent an hour trying to figure it out and my head hurts!

(Also, never try type=TYPE_HEALS and spellID=x, I managed to get 90 pages of results. Who knew there were that many heals going out.)

Even if you found the correct spell ID there are, unfortunately, no combat logs generated for stacks. You can filter the logs specifically for aura gains and losses for players throughout an entire attempt, like I did earlier in the thread:

http://imgur.com/CKRj9 - This shows the Deep Corruption auras and all heals period.
http://imgur.com/LxaNm - This one shows all aura gains, but I cut out all the self healing so I could fit it in the screenshot.

Notice that there are no combat log events for the stacking effect between the time they get Deep Corruption and the time it fades. The only way to correctly identify what causes stacks when examining a parse is to look at the healing events between receiving Deep Corruption and exploding, and cut out what we know doesn't cause a stack. If you use the above as an example, you're left with three Atonement hits (Two of which came from Holy Fire ticks) and two hits from Prayer of Healing.

Ouch, that looks like a nightmare to read through. I may take a glance at doing that with my logs tomorrow if I'm free!

Posted by Kiriel
I don't think many people have Maw of the Dragonlord yet (you lucky thing!). However, if it works on the same principle as everything else, it shouldn't.



Oh no I don't have it yet either, Madness decided to drop 2x agi daggers for us this week, and I forget what he dropped last week but it wasn't the mace either. Just curious for whenever we get one, because in case it for some reason did give everyone it hits a stack I'd want to make sure whichever healer has the mace makes sure to equip something else for the fight. But it sounds like we can assume for now that it doesn't add stacks

Hey, I did some rough testing with the maw and it didn't look like it was stacking, nor was my eye of blazing power. Take it with a grain of salt, we didn't do extensive testing on it. I think the t12 4-piece might have been proccing more that 1 as well, so I would simply unequip it and run 2 t12, 2 t13.

That's not true.

They must've fixed it, because it was DEFINITELY giving a stack when we were testing it 3-4 days ago. Just saying. It's cool that it's not now though.

Anti-Magic Zone applies stacks of the debuff. o_O

12/10/2011 03:00 PMPosted by Evayle

Anti-Magic Zone applies stacks of the debuff. o_O

Probably should save CDs for nasty Black-Red-Yellow anyway. After a bit of practice we found purple to be not too bad since blowing up one person (tank) does not kill the raid.

bump for kiriel being awesome
Also can anyone confirm if healing potions cause a stack?
does the FL trash trinket Scales of life cause a stack?

Probably should save CDs for nasty Black-Red-Yellow anyway. After a bit of practice we found purple to be not too bad since blowing up one person (tank) does not kill the raid.

:P Just wanted it to be known that it does, not suggesting that you use it there.

12/10/2011 01:44 PMPosted by Synariel

That's not true.

They must've fixed it, because it was DEFINITELY giving a stack when we were testing it 3-4 days ago. Just saying. It's cool that it's not now though.

I suppose that's possible, it could explain some other conflicting claims too.

Any info on Unleashed Elements (Earthliving) for shaman and if it has an initial stack?

I would assume the answer is yes, but does Binding Heal stack 1 debuff on each? I have yet to test it, but if anyone has that'd be a nice bit of information -- specifically for holy priests.

12/11/2011 11:38 AMPosted by Quasàr

I would assume the answer is yes, but does Binding Heal stack 1 debuff on each? I have yet to test it, but if anyone has that'd be a nice bit of information -- specifically for holy priests.

I'd assume so. If PoH stacks one on every target, BHeal probably does as well.

12/11/2011 12:42 PMPosted by Skootalloo

I would assume the answer is yes, but does Binding Heal stack 1 debuff on each? I have yet to test it, but if anyone has that'd be a nice bit of information -- specifically for holy priests.

I'd assume so. If PoH stacks one on every target, BHeal probably does as well.

Probably. Just curious if anyone had a confirmation.

12/11/2011 01:14 PMPosted by Quasàr

I'd assume so. If PoH stacks one on every target, BHeal probably does as well.

Probably. Just curious if anyone had a confirmation.

Weirdly enough, I did use Binding Heal a couple of times and I thought it wasn't building stacks on myself (definitely on the other person though!). But I wasn't certain enough about it to list it. It'll have to wait until after the reset before I can try again!

bump for kiriel being awesome
Also can anyone confirm if healing potions cause a stack?
does the FL trash trinket Scales of life cause a stack?

Scales of Life doesn't cause a stack.

So, a compilation of spells/abilities/random thingamajigs needing confirmation are:

• Does Shaman Unleashed Elements (earthliving) add a stack?
• Do healing potions add a stack? (My gut reaction is no simply because Warlock Healthstones don't).
• Does Priest Binding Heal add a stack to both the target and the Priest?
• As a Holy Priest, does Renew not add stacks if you spec out of Divine Touch?
• Further confirmation about whether Death Knight Rune Tap or Death Pact adds stacks.
• Does Death Knight Anti-Magic Zone add a stack? Although Evayle said yes, I'm wondering if that's because someone healed just as it was put down as it doesn't make logical sense that it adds stack as it performs a similar role to Barrier and Raid Wall which doesn't. Mind you, if it was obvious which abilities added stacks, we wouldn't need a list.

I'm guessing we won't know until next week since most guilds will have killed Yor'sahj already for the week (either in Heroic or normal form).

I'll have to see next week as well. I habitually watch over my Unholy DK friend's shoulder, and they wanted me to mention AMZ on this thread.

AMZ is similar to barrier, but it does have a maximum absorb threshold (based on attack power), so I think because it has an absorb limit, it is counted similarly to PW:S or DA.

12/11/2011 04:28 PMPosted by Kiriel

Do healing potions add a stack? (My gut reaction is no simply because Warlock Healthstones don't).

Healing potions do NOT add a stack

Edited to add that healing potions do not add a stack.

Now, new question for people who heal with shamans, how about Earth Shield?