12/01/2011 10:24 PMPosted by AlsharYa I don't take offense at all. I guess if I had to find truck with anything, is saying we weren't successful beforehand. Back when there were many 25 mans, for our lackluster attitude towards hardcore raiding we did OK. We were the 3rd guild behind Doom and someone else alliance for sarth 3d 10 man(which was way way harder then 25. Even Doom talked us up in /2 about it), we killed Algalon (though in 10) before anyone else, we beat AM in ICC 25, also getting a H LK kill though in 10, months before any horde guild had done it as well in 10 or 25. We also were well ahead of AM in t11. We killed rag first week of t12, etc etc. Again this isn't saying we're awesome, but I think a lot of the reason we do get pooped on is because we don't brag when we do something worthwhile.
Or you have a persecution complex and come into everything acting like people are talking bad about your guild even when they aren't.
The only reason I even attempt to list our accomplishments is because for the most part, people are unaware of them. Not that we care all that much, but it was the topic of the last post. Back when 25 mans were healthy, we were a always horde third, and sometimes 3rd overall on the server. That's not all THAT bad, but some would disagree. Not that it matters. The fact Leitka and the others don't get and Brillak tried to point out is that there is a LOT more that goes into making a successful guild then just wowprogress.
You don't seem to get that Doom wasn't just about "wowprogress" either. In fact, it never was. Doom was a community just like your guild is, but you sweep the community aspect of Doom under the rug because it's more convenient for you to view us as nothing but 'mercs.' Your guild is not special. Every guild has a sense of community at its core.
You might notice that I never said a damned thing about your guilds progress because *I don't care about your guilds progress.* My argument in this thread has never been against Legitimate, it has been against your attitude and your tendency to passively talk !@#$ about *absolutely everything,* as you did in your very first post in the thread when you implied that Doom was a loot-%^-*! guild.
When content sucks, and you're guild dies because of it, then your guild wasn't all that great to begin with. A guild is much much more then just a collection of mercs after loot. A good guild can survive adversity, and rise to the challenges thrown at it; inside a raid and out.
You act as if Firelands was the cause for Doom dying. It wasn't. People having played the same game for upwards of 6 years is what led to a lot of it. People get bored and move on, it's what they do. Your idea that Doom 'fell apart' because 'shunjal kicked 5 people' and 'content sucks' is extremely dismissive of what actually happened; not surprising since you're not a member of Doom and don't actually understand the situation. I mean, I don't talk about the in-guild happenings of Legitimate because I don't know them. You on the other hand? You seem to think you know a lot more about other guilds than you do. Stick to what you do know; your own ragtag band of misfits.
Like I said, you can't sit here and act like you've been victimized. You've been an arrogant sod for the entirety of the thread. You continue to use red herring arguments to make it *look* like you're in the right, but anyone paying attention can see the facts very clearly. You say I insulted Legitimate? I say nay. I insulted you. I have no qualms with Legitimate, I have people there that I consider friends. My qualm is, once again, with your haughty arrogance.
Are you going to dismiss this post? Probably. You dismiss just about everything I say without actually reading it it seems like. But the fact remains, you're the one who turned this into a guild comparison.