I was there for nearly 6 months, when I left it was due to falling behind on school work and a girlfriend. I wasn't even planning on returning to raiding until I saw legitimate's raid recruitment thread. I did know one thing though, Doom wasn't the right fit for me as an individual and Legitimate had something different.
And there's nothing wrong with that. What I'm saying is, you aren't in a position to speak about the close-knitedness of Doom.
The people were not the problem, but above all loa, shunjal, and pravox are the only people I really talked with and there lied the problem. Think about it this way. You say you knew every member of your guild in the past year? I'll take that, but instead describe each member and one hobby that each does beyond WOW. That may not seem like a huge difference, but it is the difference between knowing someone's name and knowing someone. Legitimate actually can tell when each member is having a bad day just on how they sound on vent.
I could do that for the vast majority of those that were there for upwards of a year. And I can definitely tell when someones having a bad day by the sound of their voice in Vent, just like I can tell that about people in real-life. You don't even have to know someone well to be able to do that.
At the end of the day, the only thing I thought was wrong with Doom was that you guys were too serious, but that is your selling point. You guys were a great guild, but as I mentioned there was no one you could connect with leaving the only motivation for showing up to raids (for me) was a sense of honor that I owed Shunjal for taking me on.
When it comes to socializing you get out what you put in. You said you only talked to a handful of people, well maybe therein lies your problem. I think anyone thats ever raided with Doom, you included, can acknowledge that vent isn't just used for mechanics. People were constantly chatting about their days, their hobbies, and pretty much anything in it.
I am still grateful that he allowed me to raid with him and that he took my departure the same way. Still I think it needed to be said, because if you are like me, it took me 5 guilds to realize that I had guild hoped so many times and didn't have a single friend to show for it. If epics and being server first are the only motivation, then what is the point of friends? Guilds? Community? It's all relative and someone is always going to be better then the other.
The fallacy here is that 'epics and server first' isn't what Doom was even about when you were there. I don't know why people keep going back to that argument about Doom. If that were the case, we'd have still been raiding far more days a week, no?
It *was* about the community, you just weren't a fit for it. There's nothing wrong with that at all, but don't paint pictures that aren't there.
I left Doom because I couldn't find community, I know this experience was different for you because you were always talking with someone in the pvp channel after raid. If you were lucky, your name might be mentioned in vent. Otherwise, most of your raiders were shadows. I am telling you this from my prospective because I know I am not the only one that felt this way. Which is also why not even 10 mans worked out.
Doom didn't have a pvp channel. I would have been talking in guild chat. ;)
You really don't seem to understand the situation on 10 mans. It wasn't a matter of them working or not working out. When we were no longer able to do 25s, we downsized to 10 temporarily while figuring out what everyones plans were. It was never intended to 'last' or 'work out,' because there were more than 10 people that wanted to raid.
I didn't write this to make fun of doom, but as a warning. That if the only motivation for raiding is epics and fast boss kills, then your guild will break apart.
And that's fine and well, but *that's not what Doom was about.* And it's not like Doom was a short-lived flash-in-the-pan or something...it lasted as long as it did as a raiding guild *because* it did have community. It wasn't just about 'epics and fast boss kills', and saying it was is just completely dismissive of the friendships many members had and still have.
Community is the most important aspect in a guild. Legitimate was the only one that actually finally "got it". If you do decide to start 25 mans again, I hope you heed my warning. Because I hate reruns.
Correction: Legitimate was the only one that finally "got it" in regards to you. That's fine that they're a good match for you, but again, it's very dismissive to think that they're the only guild thats members are close.