I will never go back to normal raiding again.

85 Draenei Death Knight
8275
12/07/2011 03:54 AMPosted by Tweak
This game has never been about the loot or the prestige for me. I've always just wanted to SEE the content. I want to SEE the characters. The cutscenes. The story. I want to meet them, talk to them, kill them. Whatever.


This paragraph...right here...this is beautiful.

Still why I do ICC to this day.
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90 Blood Elf Death Knight
11785
Dear Naysayers/trolls regarding LFR and it's "baddie friendly" or whatever label you give it...

There are 8-9 of us to every 1-2 of you. Stick that in your elitist , pompous, pedestal standing, douchebagging, attention seeking, negative pipes and SMOKE it. That is all.
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Personally, I think LFR is way too dumbed down. It turns fighting Deathwing into a complete and utter joke.

I think it is ridiculous that many people downed Deathwing in LFR before GUILDS managed to do it in normal. No, this was not the case for my guild personally, but there were many guilds on my server that had not downed Deathwing in normal during the first week.

They shouldn't have released the final content in LFR for at least a couple more weeks. It completely takes all the excitement of downing someone who's supposed to be so powerful. To have derp pugs downing Deathwing like he's cake just completely defies Deathwing being such a hardcore dragon. Grats Blizz, you made end-game content playable for retards and in the process ripped the soul out of the game.

I know all you who don't have decent guilds and don't take this game seriously will disagree, but really think about it. Just imagine in your real life you work hard to achieve something all for others to simply get it handed to them. So what if we get better gear in normal and heroic? It doesn't matter considering you clearly don't need that gear to down Deathwing anyway. The only thing us hardcore raiders have now is the sense of achievement of downing the harder content. However, the RP of the game has been ripped to shreds IMO.

This is absolutely the attitude and language that, in this community, needs to go sit in the corner for a while. If you can't stand the thought of there being multiple difficulty tiers of content -- into which we pour a lot of our development efforts -- to make raiding feasible for more than 2% of players, hit Heroic mode, turn on vent, and repeatedly remind your friends how good you are. I have no doubt they care. :)

Some people, like Vindicare, get it:

I don't feel any sense of accomplishment from killing a boss if it doesn't involve some form of challenge or progression.

That being said, I can appreciate the LFR for people like the OP. It clearly wasn't designed for people like me who enjoy raiding for what it actually is. It isn't all that fun for me, and I use it as mostly a tool to get free epics for little effort to help with actual raiding but what can you do about that?

I'm glad people are having fun with it.
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85 Gnome Mage
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For once, the debate is not about gear at all. It's entirely about content access. While I think the sense of entitlement here is reaching critical mass--it's not just what other people get. I don't want to see the final boss of a patch the first day it's released. I just don't. It disturbs me greatly knowing I can.
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90 Human Paladin
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Thanks for the shout out Zaryhm.
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90 Pandaren Hunter
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12/07/2011 06:34 PMPosted by Cylise
This is pretty much the way i feel as well. I understand why LFR is in the game, and i can see the side of players who would be using it the most. However i put so much of my IRL time into this game and some casual who dosent care can go in there and clear it in 40mins. kinda makes me goo hmmmm... they claim its because they "just want to see the content." but in the back of their minds we all its really about getting gear that they would otherwise never get.

Honestly you should stop worrying about the actions of other people, and quit trying to put a label on them because they do not share your same interests. You want to progress on the harder difficulties, that's your business, but we could just as easily say that all you are interested in is shiny pixels as well. Shiny pixels that you work so hard to get just to have it replaced in a few weeks/couple months by something only marginally better. All that time and effort for throwaways.

Of course, that is not all you are interested in and there are more benefits to raiding in the upper difficulties, but don't belittle the enjoyment of others (or attempt to tell them why they enjoy it), unless you are ready to find yourself equally under the microscope.
Edited by Rawinstinct on 12/7/2011 6:40 PM PST
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85 Draenei Paladin
2225
12/07/2011 06:38 PMPosted by Txtairintxt
This game has never been about the loot or the prestige for me. I've always just wanted to SEE the content. I want to SEE the characters. The cutscenes. The story. I want to meet them, talk to them, kill them. Whatever.


This paragraph...right here...this is beautiful.

Still why I do ICC to this day.
I did ICC on another toon. absolutely loved it. i have seen vids on "BOOOONESTOOOOOORM!" but experiencing it was on a whole nother level.

it was super late but i wanted to see Arthas so bad. Sadly, we all logged off though. I still have not killed the Lich king but god I still want to.

Sunwell was epic as well.
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16 Undead Warrior
90
Personally I found Raid Finder too easy but then I realised that it was not made for me ... and I'm cool with that.

I'm actually more happy that the tool is being loved by the people who Blizzard ultimately made it for. Gratz Blizzard ... you really did show all those naysayers.

Hopefully in the near future there will be no need to nerf normal or heroics raids ever again, and both casual players and raiders can live in harmony ...
Edited by Jimmybones on 12/7/2011 6:41 PM PST
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90 Human Rogue
13000
Also, I love how most of the stuff to watch out for is highly visible. I don't like having to use DMB to tell me that some debuff is about to expire or some stack is getting to high. I want those killed things to be very visible, and I think they've don't a great job of doing that. I've been in the process of slowly getting rid of addons. I'm just tired of updating them and tweaking them. I really stops me from actually playing the game when I'm constantly changing how information is displayed. I am sooooo tired of looking at timer bars. I want to look at the actual game. :)
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but in the back of their minds we all its really about getting gear that they would otherwise never get.
They will never get 397 T-13.

What's your point?


i guess your right, except you forgot when then rolling nerfs come out for DS everyone and their mom will be flying in there to get there free gear.

EDIT** not that its hard as it is.. except madness maybe... heroics on the other hand will kick you in the teeth.
Edited by Cylise on 12/7/2011 6:42 PM PST
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85 Draenei Death Knight
8275
12/07/2011 06:38 PMPosted by Zarhym
to make raiding feasible for more than 2% of players, hit Heroic mode, turn on vent, and repeatedly remind your friends how good you are. I have no doubt they care. :)


I like you.
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90 Draenei Death Knight
9415
That said... today I have finally killed an expansion's final boss within the life of that expansion. Within his first week of life no less. Something I, an average player... never did in the previous expansions.

Hip Hip Hooray


Congratulations! I'm thrilled for you, and also for me, because I just hit ilvl for LFR and I hope to experience what you have. Your post could have been written by me, but you said it much better.

Thanks for this, and again, congratulations! ;-)
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12 Draenei Mage
40
Personally, I think LFR is way too dumbed down. It turns fighting Deathwing into a complete and utter joke.

I think it is ridiculous that many people downed Deathwing in LFR before GUILDS managed to do it in normal. No, this was not the case for my guild personally, but there were many guilds on my server that had not downed Deathwing in normal during the first week.

They shouldn't have released the final content in LFR for at least a couple more weeks. It completely takes all the excitement of downing someone who's supposed to be so powerful. To have derp pugs downing Deathwing like he's cake just completely defies Deathwing being such a hardcore dragon. Grats Blizz, you made end-game content playable for retards and in the process ripped the soul out of the game.

I know all you who don't have decent guilds and don't take this game seriously will disagree, but really think about it. Just imagine in your real life you work hard to achieve something all for others to simply get it handed to them. So what if we get better gear in normal and heroic? It doesn't matter considering you clearly don't need that gear to down Deathwing anyway. The only thing us hardcore raiders have now is the sense of achievement of downing the harder content. However, the RP of the game has been ripped to shreds IMO.

This is absolutely the attitude and language that, in this community, needs to go sit in the corner for a while. If you can't stand the thought of there being multiple difficulty tiers of content -- into which we pour a lot of our development efforts -- to make raiding feasible for more than 2% of players, hit Heroic mode, turn on vent, and repeatedly remind your friends how good you are. I have no doubt they care. :)

Some people, like Vindicare, get it:

I don't feel any sense of accomplishment from killing a boss if it doesn't involve some form of challenge or progression.

That being said, I can appreciate the LFR for people like the OP. It clearly wasn't designed for people like me who enjoy raiding for what it actually is. It isn't all that fun for me, and I use it as mostly a tool to get free epics for little effort to help with actual raiding but what can you do about that?

I'm glad people are having fun with it.


Why can't I "like" this??

I'm glad to hear so many people are having fun. The people keep the game alive. The more fun the playerbase has, the healthier the game is.
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90 Human Paladin
12585

Hopefully in the near future there will be no need to nerf normal or heroics raids ever again, and both casual players and raiders can live in harmony ...


This!!!

Oh god this!

Please Blizz the one request I have of you is that you don't nerf the normal and heroic raids anymore now that LFR is out. If you can promise me that I'll be more than satisfied.
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85 Draenei Death Knight
8275
12/07/2011 06:40 PMPosted by Milsa
it was super late but i wanted to see Arthas so bad. Sadly, we all logged off though. I still have not killed the Lich king but god I still want to.


I know how you feel, I killed the Lich King almost a month before Cataclysm released...on Remembrance Day which is sorta cool I guess. Felt good to see him though, Im glad I got to kill him before Cata.

You'll get it though, no worries.
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90 Human Warlock
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The only problem I have with LFR is when two of the same items drop. I saw one person win both so it would be better if two of the same items drop have the second not clickable yet until everyone clicks need/greed. Then the second item opens up to roll with the person who won the first item not being able to roll. Other than that I think LFR is pretty cool as well.
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