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I've been hearing this word tossed around a lot as a new form of Frost Dps. Is it similar to how Shadowfrost was? Just a stacking of mastery and spamming of HB and FS?

A detailed explanation of it would be nice and why it is getting discussion.

In layman's terms, it's exactly what you said. Stacking Mastery and liberal use of Howling Blast and Frost Strike, generally ignoring other things Frost would use like Obliterate. I've usually heard about Masterfrost using a 2H weapon (usually Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps), but I don't know if a DW Masterfrost build works or not.

EDIT: Seems like the EJ article says it should work, and who would know better than they would?

http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t125291-frost_dps_winter_discontent_4_3_a/#Masterfrost

Essentially after numerous nerfs to Obliterate, the consumption of FU runes for 1 OB may be less than the value of HBx2 for FF runes on non-KM procs.

Generally Masterfrost relies on keeping one U rune cooling down to game the RE procs for more FD runes, the U rune is acquired via DND, Plague Strike or a KM Obliterate, the rest of the GCDs are spent keeping FD runes on lock out and FS to proc Runic Empowerment to bring them back up.

It sims better than traditional DW, partly because of our T13 4pc bonus giving a huge chunk of mastery, but it's a more unforgiving spec in terms of mistakes made resulting in heavier dps losses.

Essentially after numerous nerfs to Obliterate, the consumption of FU runes for 1 OB may be less than the value of HBx2 for FF runes on non-KM procs.

Generally Masterfrost relies on keeping one U rune cooling down to game the RE procs for more FD runes, the U rune is acquired via DND, Plague Strike or a KM Obliterate, the rest of the GCDs are spent keeping FD runes on lock out and FS to proc Runic Empowerment to bring them back up.

It sims better than traditional DW, partly because of our T13 4pc bonus giving a huge chunk of mastery, but it's a more unforgiving spec in terms of mistakes made resulting in heavier dps losses.

The general consensus is if you have to go around asking for information about Masterfrost, you obviously don't have what it takes to meet its painstakingly high skill requirements. lol

12/16/2011 03:23 PMPosted by Dascylus

The general consensus is if you have to go around asking for information about Masterfrost, you obviously don't have what it takes to meet its painstakingly high skill requirements. lol

Spamming two buttons 90% of the time and RE gaming runes to maximize uptime is a concept any good DKs should be able to perform well.

Thanks for the info guys. I probably won't try Masterfrost but its good to stay informed.

Just read the section on the Frost EJ thread. The short form is, keep your RP high, only use Obl if you ahve two runes fully capped to consume two runes, otherwise use HB. Frost Strike to get runes back, esp when you have KM procced. It's a very tight rotation and the penalty for failure is generally higher than the gain for the average player. If you would have trouble with the Subtlety rotation, don't bother trying Masterfrost.
Masterfrost currently does more DPS as DW because the higher damage as DW beats out the extra RP from 2H.

Masterfrost rocks as DW. Especially with iLvl 410 Hand of Morchok x2


=D

A spec some nobody came up with on EJ. Everyone is bandwagoning it. Normal priority rotation will yield the same or greater dps.

Also lol @ dks who reforge all mastery and end up with 8% haste because they can't balance stats.

A spec some nobody came up with on EJ. Everyone is bandwagoning it. Normal priority rotation will yield the same or greater dps.

Also lol @ dks who reforge all mastery and end up with 8% haste because they can't balance stats.

Your 40k on Zonn'ozz vs my 57k 9th place WoL DK ranking, despite your higher iLvl, tells a different story. I'll take my 8.36% haste and like it thank you.

Essentially after numerous nerfs to Obliterate, the consumption of FU runes for 1 OB may be less than the value of HBx2 for FF runes on non-KM procs.

Generally Masterfrost relies on keeping one U rune cooling down to game the RE procs for more FD runes, the U rune is acquired via DND, Plague Strike or a KM Obliterate, the rest of the GCDs are spent keeping FD runes on lock out and FS to proc Runic Empowerment to bring them back up.

It sims better than traditional DW, partly because of our T13 4pc bonus giving a huge chunk of mastery, but it's a more unforgiving spec in terms of mistakes made resulting in heavier dps losses.

The general consensus is if you have to go around asking for information about Masterfrost, you obviously don't have what it takes to meet its painstakingly high skill requirements. lol

The dks running this spec didnt get into the game knowing everything, Gotta ask questions if you dont know. This dk might be the dk that becomes best in the world with knowledge learned on a forum.

A spec some nobody came up with on EJ. Everyone is bandwagoning it. Normal priority rotation will yield the same or greater dps.

Also lol @ dks who reforge all mastery and end up with 8% haste because they can't balance stats.

Your 40k on Zonn'ozz vs my 57k 9th place WoL DK ranking, despite your higher iLvl, tells a different story. I'll take my 8.36% haste and like it thank you.

And why exactly, if that's true...didn't you rank on Ultraxion, Hagara, Morchok, Spine, and Blackhorn? Seems to me, since you both obviously have done the same encounters, that you should be ranking on the encounters I mentioned as well...

masterfrost in unholy pres?

Since this is what I basically do anyway Ima try reforging out of my 2200 haste down to 1800 or so and see how it goes? Or should we drop haste way lower?

Your 40k on Zonn'ozz vs my 57k 9th place WoL DK ranking, despite your higher iLvl, tells a different story. I'll take my 8.36% haste and like it thank you.

And why exactly, if that's true...didn't you rank on Ultraxion, Hagara, Morchok, Spine, and Blackhorn? Seems to me, since you both obviously have done the same encounters, that you should be ranking on the encounters I mentioned as well...

People who base their skill on a fight with varying damage increasing mechanics are so lame... Mr. 57k obviously got more ball bounces in before each Black Phase before killing him, resulting in an equally faster kill time. That fight is all about how much damage your raid can handle, not how much your epeen can show.

12/17/2011 01:48 PMPosted by Zalavaaris

The dks running this spec didnt get into the game knowing everything, Gotta ask questions if you dont know. This dk might be the dk that becomes best in the world with knowledge learned on a forum.

Why thank you :D

Masterfrost is nothing. It's a farce.

Some of the so-called basics of optimal Masterfrost play are simply techniques already employed by smart Frost players already, and others are simply the result of t13 set bonuses and t13 itemization. The rest of it provides no proven substantial benefit at the cost of a more demanding performance.

Completely reforging out of haste in favor of mastery for all fights is simply silly. AS ALWAYS stat weights change depending on the fight. Mastery increases in power in AoE situations and certain others (Hagara has a lot of movement and Shattered Ice).

*shrug*

Honestly, I think the main attraction is the name Masterfrost. Sounds a lot more interesting that Hastefrost. Although I prefer to call my spec Unholyfrost. (frost in unholy presence)

Not that you kids prolly care, but Masterfrost is THE spec for RBGs, and arenas, depending on comp. It's much more bursty, with great control.

If you were a successful blood tank pre-4.3, then Masterfrost is easy. The runes to watch are just unholy ones instead of blood, and priority systems are not hard to keep track of. Might switch to this if I can get two 1h weapons to drop from the new 5-mans.