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Going to be tanking Heroic Yor'sahj today,...
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...And I just need a little advice, First time doing it on Hmode. I know there's a point when AMS becomes paramount for the DK tank for this fight, and I haven't found out which point that is yet. I'm still searching the web for it :/ Any dk's that could tell me what it is or point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Also, is it something I should pop after i have a stack or two, or is it something I need to catch before it hits at all?
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Refresh Bone shield before each phase (when he's channeling, there's plenty of time)
Vampiric blood at the beginning of each phase (when the boss is active again after the oozes joined him) DRW if you have add phase Fire of the deep if you dont have DRW. Around 5-6 stacks pop Mirror After mirror wears off pop AMS Save shield wall for scary moments |
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Why wouldn't you want to use AMS for the 3/4 Void Bolt impact? I can't imagine the DoT ticks that hard (although I know it does tick pretty hard, it shouldn't be unhealable - plus MoBI on 5/6 means you have about 3 seconds of it mitigating the DoT tick). I have to figure out my DK's cooldown rotation for tonight, so :/ Plus, by the time he starts channeling oozes, and purple debuff was up, shouldn't it have fallen off by then? Healing, by then, shouldn't really be a concern, no? Guess it'll be trial and error on our part but I'm just curious what the benefit of AMSing the DoT ticks would be rather than the actual 3/4 impact. |
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I typically use ams when the fourth stack is about to be applied like you said, then hit mirror after that. The worst of the damage is between 3 stacks and when he breaks off to summon the oozes, since the real damage is from dot tick + void bolt + possible melee swing (if blood shield falls off for some reason, which isn't typical). The dot by itself won't kill you, especially if you're death striking for health while he's summoning more slimes. Also, I try to save IBF or some "big" cd (like vb+death pact or lichborne) for raid damage heavy combos, like yellow/red/black. I find that if I'm properly managing cooldowns that the damage during a combo including purple is never severe enough that healers need extra help working around the debuff. Spellshattering on weapon also helps a lot, the vast majority of damage is magic. |
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Save IBF for yellows
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both ways work. Tbh after the 1st kill we just went there and 1-2 shotted it. With the gear we have available now, i just pop whatever i feel like at the moment. Aside from using VB when each phase dmg starts (to help the healers with the 4p), and refreshing Bone shield prior to each phase .. AMS and Mirror i just use when i feel the dmg im taking starts to become "scary". It's really not a rule .. some times you get 2 melee hits in a row without blood shield and a dot tick might bring you too close to death etc. One of the very few times i died in this fight, the healers messed up my stacks by accident, and i got hit twice in a row with 2 90k dot ticks at the same time. Cooldown rotation is just the general idea. If it works better for you to pop mirror earlier in the phase, or ams etc, go for it. And yes, i usually save IBF for those brutal combinations. |
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The reason AMS is so good on this fight has nothing to do with Void Bolt. It does, but it doesn't. The real reason is because if the purple debuff. AMS prevents the application of magic effects. In the case of purple, you can use AMS to reset the healing stacks. Use AMS at 3 or 4 stacks of the purple healing debuff and it will reset them to zero. AMS is so good that I had to sit this paladin and tank on my DK Epitomize who is off spec blood. As a dk, just spam DS during the transition when dps is killin oozes. You'll heal from the Void Bolt damage and accumulate a blood shield worth about 250k.
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You realize the Deep Corruption stacks reset 25 seconds in regardless of whether or not you use AMS, right?
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Also that:
Rune tap dont count as a stack Deathstrike dont count as a stack Death pact dont count as a stack So yes .. we are the only tank that can keep healing ourselves through the purple debuff, even if the healers cant heal us. It's just a convenient side effect of our "mitigation" mechanic. |
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Cool guys, thanks for all the help, much appreciated :D
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Also that: On that note, other non-casted heals reg avail to tanks also ignore the debuff. Pally WoG being a notable example. OP, have ur healers read the thread on HM Yorsahj's deep corruption if they already haven't. Depending on the class they can 'circumvent' the debuff in certain ways: us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657444001 |
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Hey guys, thanks for all the help. I got the kill today, it was really hard, but we did it. Mirror was definitely key, that with AMS really helped mitigate the damage. Thanks again!
..Now on to Zon'ozz tomorrow O.O |
Hey guys, thanks for all the help. I got the kill today, it was really hard, but we did it. Mirror was definitely key, that with AMS really helped mitigate the damage. Thanks again! you see .. now THAT is going to be hard =p we killed zon'ozz twice and we still wipe half a dozen times on him before killing. Phase 2 has some really stupid RNG (the tentacles aiming at the same person and blowing them up within 1sec) .. and there's just so much room for mistake (say 2 melee get the dot, they both get out to be dispelled and the ball doesn't have enough people to share the explosion and kill the people etc) .. even tough we haven't killed hagara (will prolly kill her today anyway, we simply didn't attempt her more than a dozen times) .. i'd say zon'ozz is the hardest of the 1st 5 bosses on heroic. Yor'sajh is actually "easy" compared to him lol. |
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Edited by Fornacis on 1/19/12 8:13 AM (PST)
I"m melting!
Seriously though.....any Warrior advice on this fight? We wiped all night and finally moved on to something else. I started the night off single tanking the fight wearing my 4 piece gear, and MoBi trinket. I'm having to pop MoBi at 4 stacks though because the damage is just too high to wait for 5. I think raid buffed in my 4 piece gear i'm at 230k or so health, and 107% CTC. I'm using my Shield block before Bolt impact, and Spell Reflect....but I don't think Spell Reflect is doing anything. I use SW for the more healing intensive ooze combinations, and Last Stand when things get really bad. We then tried two tanking it with my bear co-tank but then we were low on dps. Blargh.... I personally think our group isn't ready yet, but wanted to see if other warriors had success on this fight, and if they have any advice. I'm contemplating brining in my Paly tank, or gearing up my DK tank enough to complete the fight but its pretty frustrating that I can't figure out a way with my Warrior. DPS - Bear-Kitty, Arms, Rogue, Spriest, Shammy, Ret Paly (Healer 3), Hunter Heals - Druid, Holy Paly Tank - Me |
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My one guild I solo tanked this and we didnt get it down. it was due to Lower DPSers in our raid but we had a few >5% wipes. Basically would use AMS early bout 3-4 then pop Vamp after that to help with the extra bolts i'd be taking.
Fast foward to a new guild and a new strat with 2 tanks. We never took more than 4 bolts each and each had some sort of raid wide cool down. even with this we had 40dps from everyone else in the raid. Are you guys having any issues taking down the oozes before they get to the boss or is it double black phases that are !@#$ing you up? |
My one guild I solo tanked this and we didnt get it down. it was due to Lower DPSers in our raid but we had a few >5% wipes. Basically would use AMS early bout 3-4 then pop Vamp after that to help with the extra bolts i'd be taking. We kill the oozes before the boss, but we do have several adds up I notice....not sure how much damage they do but it has to be wasted healing mana. Other than that we seem to survive the black phases okay if we two tank, but we are behind the berserk timer, then someone does something stupid with the mana orbs.....ugh. I think we've wiped so much that we're approaching frustration level, and making mistakes. I guess what I"m looking for is....how many War tanks have tanked this fight with success, and is there anything that I should do differently? I keep hearing that we should use a DK or Paly, etc. |
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Edited by Cryotube on 1/19/12 10:38 AM (PST)
You can have spell block up twice for each phase if you pop it early and then later on. Ya can alternate between SW and RC+Stay for each phase (or use the Pride instead, even if its not wholly controllable when it procs), and use Mirror to bridge to the last spell block. So early SB -> mid-early SW_RC+Stay (also gives the raid a cd) -> Mirror -> 2nd SB. Ya can do a cd rotation like this each phase and still have ER, Healthstone, and external cds as backup.
Otherwise its usual stuff- healers just gotta know how to handle and 'cheat' deep corruption, how to handle add waves, you using prismatic elixir, etc. (oh, ya dun have the 4-set yet on ur Warr. I'd recommend it highly for this fight) |
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I'd also like some advice on the whole "melting" problem.
It's the deep corruption that does it. I just take way too much damage to ignore, even with CD's and WoG. We basically end up having to Lay on hands our way through it, which means with only two paladins, more than two purple phases meant a wipe. |
