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poor damage and survivability in bg
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Hi. I have 6 85 toons all different and they all do well in bg except this lock. He has no defence against warriors and pallys etc. Hunters destroy him. I dont even try anymore when I am attacked 1 on 1 by a hunter. Can some of you experts check him please and tell me what I can do to become more competive in bg? Thank you, Buck
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Edited by Twelvé on 1/17/12 4:29 PM (PST)
First off.... in cata warlocks spec usefulness goes in this order
Affliction > Destruction > demonology Your main design is to put pressure on the entire team while forcing healers to decide to dispell or not. That being said you're main damage output is based on what you do to the group than 1 person. Right now you probably feel that you cant damage other classes as well as they can damage you. In random bgs warriors / dks / rogues... will always target you before most classes because they know you really can't do much against them. Your goal is to try to stay close to any heals and provide enough pressure against the opposing team. You may not see much KBs, but you are actually doing more good for the team... In terms of 1vs1... its really all about practice. You can't expect to be new to the class and beat pvp addicts that hang out dueling all day outside org gates and sw gates... Also, sometimes its your spec that makes the difference. Warriors and rogue may actually be easier to beat as destro with succubus than affliction. Remember classes are usually designed for arena settings, so in random bgs, you may not enough your lock as you would in 3s. I.e warriors and hunters usually rock the house in rbgs... yet a lock 3's team would laugh at most hunter and warrior comps . Random bgs are random... you may get lucky and get into a match where people ignore you and let you free cast or you may get unlucky where you see 6 dks who all want locks for lunch. Its just random... |
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Everything is wrong, your spec glyphs gems no power torrent enchant on weapon if you are going demo you should stack mastery if affliction go haste ... Reforges etc etc ... Need to redo everything pretty much you have
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you have some suspect enchants and gem choices. look at my gear, enchants, gems, spec. Im not claiming to be the greatest lock in the game, but I laugh at hunters, rogues and warriors in random bg's. max your damage potential. one round of dots and a fear/dc/teleport and I win. |
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Locks of any spec counter hunter and ret paladins 1v1. With hunters you have to get in their face. Eat their clips, traps and trinket the pet wet/stun to to get up close. Us the kiting tools we have to stop them from kiting us. Shadowflame (all specs) — 10 sec CD Death Coil (all specs) — 1 min, 30 sec CD Succubus Seduce (all specs) — spamable x3; shares DR with Fear Curse of Exhaustion (aff) — spamable Shadowfury (destro) — 20 sec CD Conflagrate (destro) — 8 sec CD Axe Toss (demo) — 30 sec CD Hand of Gul'dan (demo) — 12 sec CD Disengage — 25 sec CD Frost/Freezing Trap — 30 sec CD The other tricks are Concussive Shot, Wing Clip, Deterrence, Feign Death... As Aff always Curse of Elements his pet to Jinx the hunter so you're free to use CoEx on him. You want to DoT the pet and hunter which could mean a Soul Swap in either direction depending on range and LoS. For Aff and Demo, you want to Fear away the pet. If the Hunter hits Deterrence (or Feign Death), lay DoTs on his pet and drain life if Aff or Demo or even kill pet, fearing pet close to the end of Deterrence. Even better if you lay DoTs on pet and Soul Swap as soon as his Deterrence ends. Don't be afraid to drain life in the open as there is no penalty for being interrupted more than if you were not casting. Feign Death is the hunter giving you chance to get close to him. For Destro you want to not fear the pet too early as his pet will trigger your instant incinerate through backlash constantly, meaning you have the ability to 'shoot and run' as you're getting close. Also if he uses Deterrence, you're free to hit him with Chaos Bolt. When close use Shadow Flame (short CD) on him and his pet and constantly stay inside him and melee would stay in you. Weave Shadowflame into your DPSing so he can't run. If you see him drop down, he's laying a trap to get out or around. You'd be surprise how easy it is vs a hunter. Remember to always Fel Flame on the move to keep UA/Immolate up. You have more kiting tools to keep him from kiting you. Ret Paladins is just the opposite. You have the kiting tools. Eat the Repentance (broken by damage), trinket the Hammer of Justice. Fel Hunter Devour for the chance to remove Avenging Wrath. Fear and Fear and keep max distance. He'll Cleanse and Hand of Freedom. Silence him on your face, Succy Whiplash, Axe Toss, Death Coil, Shadowflame, Shadowfury, CoEx... We just counter Ret Paladins because of our toolset. |
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You said you have 6 85s? Its like you have 6 children and your warlock is the special child (autheism). Its not like your ordinary dk who can go rambo and not die against 1v4. You are used to the easy classes and your warlock is the hardest class. You need to treat him differently. You are gonna go through a very big transition while playing a lock. It needs alot of attention and learning to make it work otherwise lock is not for you.
You cant lose from a hunter thats a mortal sin. Locks are hunter's hard counter. You can drain tank them to their death. |
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Hi and ty for the info. First the realm I am on is so weak it does not have the gems or enchants that any other realm my have. There is not even 1 full page of enchants on the ah page. My complaint is that I have to shoot someone 50 times before I kill them in bg.
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Edited by Caides on 1/19/12 7:14 AM (PST)
Hi and ty for the info. First the realm I am on is so weak it does not have the gems or enchants that any other realm my have. There is not even 1 full page of enchants on the ah page. My complaint is that I have to shoot someone 50 times before I kill them in bg. Then a warlock is not for you. Find yourself a pocket healer (or 2) and do BG's with them. Hell just find a healer and a boomkin, they'll probably pick the boomkin first because the big fat model is easier to click on. Make him be your meat shield lol. You're meant to pressure everyone around you at essentially the same time, and provide dispel protection. |
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The main reason I use aff is because it is the only defence I have against a rogue. My pet can stun him even if I am stunned giving me time to dot him and fear him but usually they trinket out get beninh me and kill me before I can get off another fear. Seems all horde rogues have 400plus weps as they kill me within 6 sec. I also find des is no better than afflic when it comes to bg damage.
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First off.... in cata warlocks spec usefulness goes in this order Wrong, the OP asked about in bg's. Affliction is HORRIBLE in Random Bg's. Destro is the best way to go. |
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Well idk about poor damage as afflic i did 9.5mil in a bg once its all about hiding and popping out only to dot and cc during kills
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BG's are about objectives and winning. Each spec has it's role to play. Killing blows are nice and damage is nice but it's all in the hands of the warlock and what his/her role is. That's the beauty of BGs — each of the 3 specs can perform marvelously in their own way. |
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^^^ still a matter of opinion. A handle rogues, dk's, warriors, ret paladins and hunters better as destro. And I do everything else better as aff.
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First off.... in cata warlocks spec usefulness goes in this order I one-hundred percent disagree. |
I one-hundred percent disagree as well! |
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Survivability depends on how skilled you are.
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