Question to the Higher ups (new models)

I'm actually pretty content with the way Asenath looks, aside from the fact that there is only one "long" hair cut option for undead girls and it's hideous. A long pony tail like one of the Blood Elf options would be really nice.

And Blizzard should hire this Vaanel guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/Intaanis and just pay him to do his own thing. He's plainly worth it.
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85 Gnome Warrior
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I'm actually pretty content with the way Asenath looks, aside from the fact that there is only one "long" hair cut option for undead girls and it's hideous. A long pony tail like one of the Blood Elf options would be really nice.

And Blizzard should hire this Vaanel guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/Intaanis and just pay him to do his own thing. He's plainly worth it.


Well you can be fine with it, I'm personally fine with how Aceru looks too. But wouldn't it be better if you and I would have real hair instead of Straw? Maybe a movable face capable of expressing emotion?
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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So my question is, Why not transfer *more resources to getting new player models out if a whole lot of people want to see them right this moment? Do we as a people need to gather 1 thousand signatures to make this happen or is it a "Too bad, soo sad" situation?


Sutei - Daggerspine

It's absolutely not a "too bad" situation, Sutei. I know the concept of us having near unlimited resources to throw at whatever we want to is intriguing, but it's just not the case. We don't have an army of artists on layaway that we can transfer onto a project.

Just the same, we don't necessarily want to exponentially expand the head count of the art team to ensure a specific project gets done. There's a synergy we strive for on each of our development teams. In fact, we go to pretty great lengths to vet applicants whenever hiring for a new position. We need to know our iterative design philosophy and our core values are shared. So, if we were to hire several new artists to get this project finished, you certainly wouldn't see the results of that "right this moment."

Right now it's just difficult to give any sort of estimate on when new models might be available. Whenever a new expansion is in development there are many, many requests for new art assets. We're elbow deep in designing new gear sets, fleshing out the environments, finishing up several new creature models, etc.

If all of this makes you feel that much further away from ever seeing new character models, I can say the project is still a regular topic of discussion for us. We want to figure out the best way to introduce such a feature without shocking a huge chunk of the playerbase that doesn't really think about how their character's features could be improved every time they log into the game.


shouldn't try to impress all of us that will just waste time you could get them perfect and people would still complain
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01/19/2012 07:23 PMPosted by Zarhym
Right now it's just difficult to give any sort of estimate on when new models might be available. Whenever a new expansion is in development there are many, many requests for new art assets. We're elbow deep in designing new gear sets, fleshing out the environments, finishing up several new creature models, etc.


I would honestly take new character models over the new expansion any time.

Also, I think you take too much thought on how people would react to new models. I mean, you don't really bother giving players a heart attack when designing new armor, hairstyles, or new locations, or redesigning old stuff. Let's be honest, if that was really the reason, then we would still be playing WoW 1.0.
Edited by Floating on 1/20/2012 4:20 AM PST
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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http://www.maniacworld.com/afro-hat.html do want for this toon.
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01/19/2012 07:23 PMPosted by Zarhym
We don't have an army of artists on layaway that we can transfer onto a project.

Just throw a contest amongst the fans for the new models with some meaningless prize (a pet, a mount, a thank you) and you will have an army of people who can model probably even better than your artists who get paid regardless of how stupid the end result is (no offense).

There have been numerous of people throughout the years who were willing to give you their armor designs for free (and those were some of the best ones anyone ever seen), but you never took it. Why?

I honestly think that redesigning the models and animations should not only be "regularly discussed", but be one of the top priorities already after all these years. The new zones get stormed through in a day or a week and never seen again, but the player characters and their animations we see day and day for years, regardless of what zones they are in, what mobs they fight and what armor they are wearing.

Heck, you already have mobs (humanoids) who have much detailed and thought-through models in the game. Why not use those for PCs?

Player characters is one of the most important thing in the game (you make armor for them, you make mounts for them, you make abilities and talent trees for them and redesign them every year), yet it gets the least attention. I don't understand.
Edited by Floating on 1/20/2012 4:42 AM PST
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01/19/2012 07:23 PMPosted by Zarhym
It's absolutely not a "too bad" situation, Sutei. I know the concept of us having near unlimited resources to throw at whatever we want to is intriguing, but it's just not the case. We don't have an army of artists on layaway that we can transfer onto a project.


What are you doing with your resources now? You axed the other planned raid instance for T12 and replaced it with basically nothing. Dragon Soul reused a LOT of artwork. Both Maw bosses reuse areas that were included in the game at launch (see Twilight Highalnds), the rest uses Wyrmrest Temple and Eye of Eternity.

We used to see a lot more for the money we spent, and now we're seeing vastly less. The money we spent on this expansion pack was for this expansion, and the money we're paying now is for this expansion - not the next one. So, would you care to show us?

No? I'm shocked! One thing that has persisted ALL expansion long tells me exactly what I need to know. We were promised nearly a year ago that Books of Glyph Mastery would be added to the loot tables of mobs in content level 81-85. Has that happened? Nope.

Since that is the ONLY way to round out a great portion of the profession, it's a disappointment that none of your "strained resources" were devoted to including them. You know, with all 15 raid bosses you incorporated into the game in one entire year - when we used to get more than double that amount.

But at this point if you did do it, it would be a "gee thanks for nothing" since the expansion is basically over. I'm sorry if I'm bitter, and I expect this post to get deleted, but you guys have been doing a !@#$ty job all year long. I hope Titan is better so I can leave this group of developers behind.
Edited by Jooki on 1/20/2012 4:58 AM PST
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42 Human Paladin
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I cannot imagine that so many people consider new character models such a high priority when there are so many other things wrong with the game that need to be addressed.

Personally I simply could not possibly care less about new character models. Theycan make every character model a white blob for all I care as long as the game works... and in a lot of cases the game does not work. Don't matter how cool it looks if its broken.
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I'm an ignorant non-graphics person, and I don't know anything about code and programming.

But it's been quite apparent that there *are* updated models for many of the races in the game. Humans have Varian and Jaina, and even, to a certain extent, the Vrykul (which are probably based very much on the original Human model). Dwarves at least have the Earthen model from Deepholm, which is clearly based on theirs but improved. Night Elves have Ysera, Malfurion, and Tyrande. Orcs have Thrall and Garrosh. Blood Elves have Sylvannas and Alexstrazsa (spelling off the top of my head).

Horde-side, I'm not sure how many of the other faction leaders have the "special models" that the Alliance faction leaders have gotten over the last year or so (does Vul'jin have a unique model, for instance)?

It seems to me that a lot of work that could be useful for a model update has already been done, but perhaps many of these models are "too good" for the players.
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85 Human Death Knight
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Because the only thing people do whenever they're logged on is raid and PvP?You shouldn't make so many assumptions about others based upon your own tastes or experiences, and you most certainly shouldn't then proclaim that anyone who is different from you is a failure. Ad hominem and Straw-man attacks make you look foolish. You might want to read your last paragraph and then take a look in the mirror.Cool story bro. Level a toon to 85 and talk to me then.


Note* this is what people say when they dont have a decent argument. Also, the armor is just the paper wrapped around the present (Character). If its always the same present, while different wrapping paper looks pretty it only goes so far.
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90 Human Mage
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Pigtail hairstyles for human females.

/tilts head to one side


Seriously. Why on earth should human women be the only ones that can't master pigtails, or braids?!
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90 Tauren Paladin
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...We want to figure out the best way to introduce such a feature without shocking a huge chunk of the playerbase that doesn't really think about how their character's features could be improved every time they log into the game.


Upgrading systems to play a game sucks (especially one that you can play already). This is for the upper class and those who indulge in the use of credit.

P.S. love my cows the way they are
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90 Human Warlock
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This is a MMORPG is it not?
Character models are equally important.
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26 Worgen Rogue
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Sorry in advance for the shameless redirect...but since we are talking about new models..

Can we at least get a new Garrosh?

Any chance we can get him to look a little more like this
http://www.wowpedia.org/images/2/23/Magazine3CoverArtworkFront.jpg or this
http://www.wowpedia.org/images/5/5b/Garrosh_Glowei_Cropped.jpg

I'm not trying to be some funny guy, but in his current state he looks like catatonic Mok'Nathal to be honest, though he looks more ogre than orc and I'm sure even Rexxar might be a little upset with the comparison.
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
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mass QQ on the forums the very day they are released.

Which would be primarily focused on the fact the new models didn't actually improve certain races appearance"


^ that right there is the reason that, when we do get new models, I'm going on a 3 month hiatus from the forums. I don't wanna read all the QQ.
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90 Undead Death Knight
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mass QQ on the forums the very day they are released.

Which would be primarily focused on the fact the new models didn't actually improve certain races appearance"


^ that right there is the reason that, when we do get new models, I'm going on a 3 month hiatus from the forums. I don't wanna read all the QQ.


I would counter any amount of qq on these forums and constructively post to break the tide of tears if it meant getting better player models.
And I know I'm not alone.
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87 Human Rogue
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mass QQ on the forums the very day they are released.

Which would be primarily focused on the fact the new models didn't actually improve certain races appearance"


^ that right there is the reason that, when we do get new models, I'm going on a 3 month hiatus from the forums. I don't wanna read all the QQ.

This, precisely.

To all the people saying there wouldn't be QQ, there would be. Everyone will have a complaint about something at one point or another for one reason or another.
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61 Gnome Mage
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01/20/2012 05:28 AMPosted by Frozentime
Because the only thing people do whenever they're logged on is raid and PvP?You shouldn't make so many assumptions about others based upon your own tastes or experiences, and you most certainly shouldn't then proclaim that anyone who is different from you is a failure. Ad hominem and Straw-man attacks make you look foolish. You might want to read your last paragraph and then take a look in the mirror.Cool story bro. Level a toon to 85 and talk to me then.


Note* this is what people say when they dont have a decent argument. Also, the armor is just the paper wrapped around the present (Character). If its always the same present, while different wrapping paper looks pretty it only goes so far.


this is what people say when they dont have a decent argument


It's a little hard to tell if you're referring to me, or to the poster I was talking about. I'm going to assume you're agreeing with me, since otherwise I'd have to wonder at your logic-- and you look like you're pretty smart ;)

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