(H) Nightstalkers 8/8 25M Recruiting

85 Orc Warrior
6960
Our current recruitment needs (current as of 1/9):

1 - Tank (any class will be considered, be well geared)
2-3 DPS (any class)

About Nightstalkers:

Nightstalkers has been a guild on this server for almost 5 years now (on Christmas Day 2010 it was our 4th birthday!) We started as a social guild mainly just to have good folks to level our toons up with. When the core members of the guild all hit 70, the desire to see the end game content forced the guild to change. Nightstalkers is now a raiding guild. We are no longer in any way a casual or social guild. In most cases we will not allow your friends to join based on the fact that they are your friends. Exceptions will be made for certain members, but they will be decided on a case by case basis, and we will make absolutely NO promises. Though we have cut out the social side of the guild, we strongly believe that raiding with people we enjoy spending time with is the key to being a great guild. For that reason, no matter how good you are, if we don't like your personality, you won't make it here.

What kind of people are we looking for?

We are looking for people that agree with what is stated above. We are an adult guild, and the conversations in vent can be quite....crass. So, for that reason we would prefer that you are over 18. Some exceptions will be made on a case by case basis. We are looking for people that raid with us because they enjoy it, NOT because they want to get every piece of gear that drops for their class. We are looking for people that are willing to do what it takes to help the guild progress. That could mean but is not limited to: respeccing, sitting out on runs or single fights, and being willing and able to make our raid times. We are looking for INTELLIGENT people. "U R Teh Suxxorzz!!1!" is not acceptable in guild chat! We are looking for people who are willing to take the time and put in the effort to be the best they can possibly be. We will do what we can to help get you the gear you need, but we expect you to take the initiative to do alot of that yourself. Crafted gear, gear from instances we are past in progression, etc., is all stuff you need to get yourself. If we don't like your personality, you will not make it in this guild. This is not a personal hit on anyone. It only means that your personality does not mesh well with ours, and that is important to us. Lastly, and certainly most importantly, be at the top of your game on your chosen toon. We won't put up with the same mistakes happening over and over again in raids.

Raid Info:

Our raid schedule is as follows: Our REQUIRED raid nights are Tues, Thurs, and Sun at 7:00 server. Raids generally go until about 10:30 server, but if we are close to a new kill we'll stay a bit longer. We require that you are able to make ALL of these raid nights. If you cannot, please do not bother applying.

Loot System

We use a Loot Council system on our progression raids. All main spec loot is handed out by officer decision based on a number of things. Attendance, time in guild, skill, recent performance, amount of loot recently received, and extent of upgrade are all things that are considered, though not necessarily in that order, when deciding who will receive loot. Please understand that our loot system is designed to do two things. One, ensure smooth guild progression over individual progression. Two, reward our best players for their dedication to this guild.

If you have any additional questions, please feel free to read more about us at http://forums.nightstalkersed.com or contact any of our officers in game.
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85 Orc Warrior
6960
Bump
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90 Orc Death Knight
10880
bump, wtb more druid/shammy/warrior dps
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100 Undead Mage
13565
Bumping for recruits. If any of you are interested please feel free to contact myself or any other officer for apping.
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100 Tauren Druid
17110
Bumpity, bump. @ Waldo - I do agree. We'd love to see a feral/boomkin, ele shaman, or warrior app hit our forums. The biggest question I get when recruiting is about our loot council. Contrary to all belief it IS a fair system. Our officers do use addons to track the loot so we are aware of who gets what and when. We also take into consideration attendance, how long someone has been in our guild, and what will complete what set. I've been in this guild for almost four years now, and I've never had any issues with this system. Feel free to contact me in game if you have any questions. I can also be found on my DK, Káelyn. (alt code 160 for that annoying "á"). In addition to myself there is Defenestrate, Kaster, Rozenbach, Sephiroth, Endalamar, Wellwish, and Beefiie. We look forward to hearing from you!
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100 Blood Elf Mage
12895
Bumping. Great guild for teh boot secks. Nomnom We has a jewish leader with many azns.
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90 Orc Death Knight
10880
<--- only black guy in guild
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85 Orc Warrior
6960
Still looking for a steady Resto Shaman and Resto Druid! Apply at the guild web site ^^^ /Bump!
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85 Blood Elf Rogue
5745
SOunded good til the loot council part when you go ep/gp ill look ya up.
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100 Tauren Druid
17110
We have been a loot council guild since we started raiding. The chances of us going ep/gp are pretty much nil.

On another note, we really are looking for a Resto Druid and a Resto Shaman. If you're interested, please apply at our website.

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02/08/2012 10:22 AMPosted by Papilon
SOunded good til the loot council part when you go ep/gp ill look ya up.


Nice Raiding experience and 2v2 record. Ur fuggen PRO!!!
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85 Goblin Warrior
10670
02/08/2012 10:22 AMPosted by Papilon
SOunded good til the loot council part when you go ep/gp ill look ya up.


I'm not going to comment on anything specific about NS nor how they run their LC but i will comment on the general idea of a LC. I've been raiding in the 25m community since i started raiding which was late BC give or take. Personally I've always been a fan of a loot council.

Here's what a loot council should be:
The loot council promotes a meritocracy in a raid. A loot council should reward people on "Consistent and Reliable" performance. A loot council is helpful to funnel gear to those players. We've all seen them, and labeled them with numerous names, "those" people who stand in bad stuff, who have 100 globals to your 250. At the end of the day a point system will still reward them b/c they show up. a Council will usually determine the time frame of said "badness" and help correct it. At the end of the day you dress up a duck in expensive tailored suits and italian leather shoes, it''s still a duck. Better gear won't help them switch targets or strafe properly or increase of CD efficiency(sp?) or increase their GCD usage.

The benefits to a LC over a point system is 2 fold.
1. It stops rewarding people solely on attendance. Progression is based on people staying alive, if you're one of those people dyinig to HoT, dying to Shockwave, or don't know how to switch targets, your worth ends at being a warm body and the "25th" man.

2. There's more involvement in making sure BIS items go to the right class/spec. ---pretty straight forward.

I think any HM progressed minded guild, one of the first things they might have had on their "things to do" list was give 1 if not both of their tanks, their 4 pc. So between all 4 tank classes that covers, the prot, vanq, and conq toke. EPGP is cool, DKP is ok, Kharma points, SK... they're all good loot systems based on the consensus of the raid and the moderators running them. Everyone says Loot councils are corrupt, that may be but so are point systems, if decay systems aren't implemented then you'll get point stacking and collusion which I have seen happen. which is evenn worse than a corrupt LC

Now granted Loot council takes a little more finesse and again I'm not going to comment how NS does theirs b/c i dont know how they do it. Now some of the better LCs i've seen have been around 3-4 ppl and the officers well versed in most class itemization.. That being said, before turning the other way upon seeing a Loot council i believe the more open minded way to go would be to ask questions about it. Unless you're really uneducated about raiding and don't know what to ask.



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You see... what the rogue wanted is a system that gives him loot just for showing up. This gives him a generous advantage to get the loots he sees he may deserve. That loot council stuff sounds too democratic n schit. Its all about the entitlements bishes!!!! NOAW GIMME MY MAFUGGEN LOOT! I SHOWED UP ON TIME!
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85 Goblin Warrior
10670
Don't get me wrong I can appreciate his reservations about a loot council because I've seen councils destroys guilds from the inside out. I've seen a guild on my old server i started raiding on collapse in on itself because the GM liked wow girls... but again there's a plus and minus to everything. You don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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90 Orc Death Knight
10880
bump for kick !@# heals (druids/shammies) and caster dps!!
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100 Tauren Druid
17110
I'd just like to add that we are 1/8 Heroic 25 and working on Yor'sahj and Hagara Heroic. We are actually looking for all classes of healers at this point and would like to add more ranged dps to our raid group.

/Bump
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100 Tauren Druid
17110
/Bump
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