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01/23/2012 05:50 PMPosted by Räle

A healthy male with XY chromosomes and the appropriate male anatomy who perceives there is something wrong with him is not akin to having a broken leg.

Neurological and endocrinological evidence suggests otherwise.

Are you trying to say that depression, anxiety, etc is worse/more important than someone with a broken leg?

I mean, seriously?

Guy A has a broken leg.
Guy B has depression, anxiety, whatever, and thinks he should be a woman.

Are you saying Guy B needs treatment more/sooner than Guy A? You're not seriously trying to say that, are you?

01/23/2012 05:50 PMPosted by Räle

Neurological and endocrinological evidence suggests otherwise.

Broadly hypothesized "neurological and endocrinological" evidence, yes.

P.s. I believe that I am a pony trapped inside a woman's body. Therefore, a pony must be what I really am and people need to understand that. Why are people so bigoted and ignorant? Stay with the times, people!

If you becoming a pony didn't hurt anyone else and makes you feel better, why would I want to stop you? Unless I was some sort of hateful bigot of course. And if the medical community as a whole agreed that surgery to make you more like a pony were the best treatment and indeed perhaps the only way to let you live a happier life, I imagine I'd support it.

P.s. I believe that I am a pony trapped inside a woman's body. Therefore, a pony must be what I really am and people need to understand that. Why are people so bigoted and ignorant? Stay with the times, people!

If you becoming a pony didn't hurt anyone else and makes you feel better, why would I want to stop you? Unless I was some sort of hateful bigot of course. And if the medical community as a whole agreed that surgery to make you more like a pony were the best treatment and indeed perhaps the only way to let you live a happier life, I imagine I'd support it.

And as long as my taxpayer dollars weren't paying for it........

Are you trying to say that depression, anxiety, etc is worse/more important than someone with a broken leg?

I mean, seriously?

Guy A has a broken leg.
Guy B has depression, anxiety, whatever, and thinks he should be a woman.

Are you saying Guy B needs treatment more/sooner than Guy A? You're not seriously trying to say that, are you?

Does it have to be worse than any other condition out there to be given treatment? If someone's got a broken bone and depression/anxiety/etc yeah, you'd wanna set the broken bone first. And then? You'd treat the mental health issues that could also be life threatening.

01/23/2012 05:56 PMPosted by Epaxea

depression, anxiety

No, the issue at hand here is why the word "Transexual" is censored. Someone likened it to an inherent, immutable, trait. I explained why this is not the case.

If said person also suffers from depression or anxiety then that is a different issue. However, if, say a person has delusional beliefs or perception then no one is required to accept those same delusions and cater to them.

Two different issues.

Well, you were trying to use those links and such to justify spending taxpayer dollars to give people transgender treatments because it (as you/those links claim) "is a treatable condition which can and should be treated".

I said "eh, let's not because there's more important ills that need treated first"

And you continued to press on how transgenders "need" treatment and such.

Either way. *shrug*

And as long as my taxpayer dollars weren't paying for it........

So you don't want your tax dollars to go toward helping other people. Is that just for specific medical treatment or do you also hate the idea of it going toward roads that you don't drive on, or social safety nets that you'll probably never need to use?

Neurological and endocrinological evidence suggests otherwise.

Are you trying to say that depression, anxiety, etc is worse/more important than someone with a broken leg?

I mean, seriously?

Guy A has a broken leg.
Guy B has depression, anxiety, whatever, and thinks he should be a woman.

Are you saying Guy B needs treatment more/sooner than Guy A? You're not seriously trying to say that, are you?

I never said it was worse. I only said it deserves treatment.

Are you trying to say that depression, anxiety, etc is worse/more important than someone with a broken leg?

I mean, seriously?

Guy A has a broken leg.
Guy B has depression, anxiety, whatever, and thinks he should be a woman.

Are you saying Guy B needs treatment more/sooner than Guy A? You're not seriously trying to say that, are you?

Does it have to be worse than any other condition out there to be given treatment? If someone's got a broken bone and depression/anxiety/etc yeah, you'd wanna set the broken bone first. And then? You'd treat the mental health issues that could also be life threatening.

Hence why I said in an earlier post "When we have enough money to cover healthcare for broken bones/cancer/etc, THEN we can worry about transgender treatments, but not until everything else is covered first".

I'm not against transgender treatments, truly.

I'm merely saying there's more important things for the healthcare system to take care of, first.

01/23/2012 05:52 PMPosted by Epaxea

Neurological and endocrinological evidence suggests otherwise.

Broadly hypothesized "neurological and endocrinological" evidence, yes.

And the evidence for it being nothing more than a delusion is what?

01/23/2012 05:58 PMPosted by Räle

deserves treatment.

In my opinion, a psychological issue only warrants psychological treatment. Not physical surgery for a perceived ailment.

And as long as my taxpayer dollars weren't paying for it........

So you don't want your tax dollars to go toward helping other people. Is that just for specific medical treatment or do you also hate the idea of it going toward roads that you don't drive on, or social safety nets that you'll probably never need to use?

Eh there's a pretty big difference between "roads I don't use" and people dying on the streets because the healthcare system is overloaded.

I'm basically saying we should use a priority system.

Things are simply low-priority (like transgender treatment) because they aren't life-threatening (unless the patient develops suicidal thoughts, etc), and such.

Just like fixing up roads -- you'd make sure highways are repaired first (since the most people use them), then state routes, then blacktops, and finally if you have enough money left over, then you do the dirt-roads.

i get sick just looking at the word

01/23/2012 06:00 PMPosted by Räle

And the evidence for it being nothing more than a delusion is what?

DNA.

Oh, and what's next? Are we going to propose that girls should get cosmetic surgery (excluding, of course, cosmetic surgery on patients with disfigurations) on welfare now too, if/when/because they develop depression due to a lack of self-confidence?