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Combat Haste question.
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Sorry if this has been asked many times before...
When is haste too much? i used Shadowcraft and it has yet to point me away from haste(even with raid buffs checked). I have checked many rogues (WoL combat rogues and people on the forums) and i noticed they are never above 2.5K haste (even with 400+ilvl). Is that a soft cap where energy caps during AR/raid buffs? On dummy i usually cap right when GCD is up(no raid buffs). I tend to run into probs when i have 2pc tricks up and AR (energy cap most of the time) or if 10% haste is in raid. Heroism is another story. If im always raiding with a DK, Should i drop some haste to mastery? |
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Edited by Heyßro on 1/24/12 10:13 PM (PST)
yea i try to time it right...sometimes they clip each other. I never pop tricks and then AR right after each other.
also realized i do have a haste trinket. When i finally upgrade to better (DS) trinkets...ill be losing a lot of haste. Also you can ignore my comment about DK's 10% attack speed...had a brain fart and realized it didn't affect energy regen the question still remains though. Does haste drop below mastery at some point? (stat weight) |
yea i try to time it right...sometimes they clip each other. I never pop tricks and then AR right after each other. I'm pretty sure even with full BiS haste is still our best stat. |
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Haste is our best stat. The only time you have to worry about haste is if you get enough that you gain the same exact amount you use. Even in current gear I don't think that is possible outside of an AR or Heros.
Do not reforge mastery. http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t111329-combat_guide_cata_12_01_2011_a/ Look under stat weights, you will see that Expertise and Haste are near the top, where mastery is under spell hit. |
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Do not reforge mastery. i also thought the same thing too. but somehow, shadowcraft is showing otherwise. i am not sure if its due to my trink proc or something. |
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Edited by Firatha on 1/25/12 6:52 AM (PST)
yea i try to time it right...sometimes they clip each other. I never pop tricks and then AR right after each other. Ya I have 3113 haste unbuffed and it shows Haste at 1.82 better then mastery at 1.49 and I just ran shadowcraft with full heroic gear having almost 3400 hast and its weight was 1.86 with mastery at 1.53 so ya not much change haste will stay better. |
. Also you can ignore my comment about DK's 10% attack speed...had a brain fart and realized it didn't affect energy regen Altho "attack speed" doesn't directly effect energy regen, it does how ever effect it indirectly with combat spec, via the "Combat Potency" Talent. |
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Do not reforge mastery. More then likely it loaded up your Asssassination Spec over your Combat spec |
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Generally the point at which you can probably start considering reforging away from haste is when you have something in the ballpark of about 10800 haste rating.
That'll give you about 84% haste and raise your passive regen to about 23, and that's when you'll start energy capping constantly outside of AR/Lust/trinkets. Really, the effects of "high haste" and its effect on energy capping are generally exaggerated. it takes over 1000 haste rating just to increase our regen by 1 energy per second. So even with 3k haste rating you'll still only be regening about 15.5 energy per second plus combat potency (which is really something like 4 or 5 energy per second on average). Now capping during AR or bloodlust is pretty much a given, and the compass gives an absolutely massive amount of haste (or the combination of 2 haste procs during firelands) could lead to come capping, the fact still remains that for a good portion of the time we still only get that ~15 passive regen and that combined with combat potency does not overshadow how fast you can spend energy. Outside of those situations the only other time you'll be capping is when you're not on target due to transitions/movement/etc, in which case no other stat is really going to be benefiting you much either. |
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Haste will still be our top stat because it reduces our swing timer, getting in more hits faster, regardless of energy capping. Even if you're capping, so long as you make the most of your GCDs, its non issue :P
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Haste is still the best bet, it just takes patience in dealing with cooldowns.
I'll tell you one thing for sure, no haste proc trinket really calms things down and makes the use of cooldowns feel much more predictable (no sudden haste procs during 2pc for example). |
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I was running Arrow and Hungerer until I (finally) won the wrath of unchaining last night, and I gotta say, having more raw agility over haste is so much nicer. Alot less random energy capping from dual procs, and no sudden energy starving periods right afterwards. I cant imagine running say heroic matrix and any form of the Compass. That alone would be at least 4.4k haste jumping in and out of your rotation, kinda throwing you for a loop. |
