Topic Honest Hunter Discourse with Developers?
Reedful
Destromath
Reedful
85 Troll Hunter
5500
I just read the Rogue Q&A. It just doesn't seem like any mod/dev could post here with a straight face and say, "we gave you Camouflage... again! This time it works a little better."

I have just never seen a post where anybody with any clout posted that in-depth about Hunter stuff and seemed like they really got it. It seems like whoever that is(Daxxari?) really understands how Rogue works and the intricacies of playing them - atleast at a basic level - in PvP and PvE.

I have been playing Hunter for a long time, as you may be able to tell from my transmog. I have two different discontinued mounts from level 60 which is the main reason I don't re-roll. I don't know if you can tell by my armory how many times I have killed Chromaggus but I have been waiting to get that crossbow for more years than I care to admit. Stuff like that rubs Hunters the wrong way. I actually raided BWL competitively at 60 and we never saw any.

My epic bow quest at 60 was just.. weird. Kiting for that long, all of that.. it was unnatural at the time. I got R12 in the old PvP system, and played some new classes later on in the game. Went to tournaments, won some. Got R1 a few times but my Hunter just feels like my original character and no GM will move my mounts/achievements so I don't feel right switching off.

So what's the deal? How can we open honest discourse with developers about our class? I want to say stuff like, "man, Master Marksman just feels really bad and random - why can't it be more like Hot/Hotter Streak? That's way more reliable."

or, "how come every other single-target damage dealer has a reliable way to control their burst, as well as reliable mitigation? We lost all our passive Dodge in Cataclysm, and our Chimera Shot crits are not consistent."

"you broke Disengage with the recent code changes in the way the server registers jumping. Are there any plans to fix this?"

"Deterrence isn't usable while stunned, doesn't provide any regeneration and until recently didn't provide any damage mitigation. It also doesn't retroactively stop spells/attacks. Are there any plans to bring this in-line with spells like Ice Block and Dispersion?"

Where can I post stuff like that and get a response? I play/played this game at a professional level, I am loyal to Blizzard and I have played for a really long time. My input should matter. I came back this expansion to do RBGS and I was the highest rated Hunter there the entire time that I was playing - I personally lead one of the very best teams in America. I can tell you flat out we need a niche, but where's the proper place?

Out-dated abilities, quality of life and talent design not on-par with our counter-parts. Clunky mechanics that are the result of being awkwardly caught in a dead-zone(no pun intended) between melee/casters... it just doesn't feel the same as other classes and I am sure your developers there would agree if they just looked at it from our perspective.

Please honestly compare our class to other classes. I play a Fire Mage and the game understands I need to Scorch while moving so it gives me a talent to do so. I play Hunter and I have to lose a whopping amount of attack power just to regenerate my resource. Aspect of the Fox says I'll generate 5 Focus whenever I get hit in melee. That isn't how it works, or there's a huge ICD that isn't announced, whatever.

I'm just saying I really like Blizzard, I have for a long time and I wish you guys would make this game fun for Hunter players the same way you do for everyone else. I am not saying Hunters are terrible in PvP, I am saying they are broken and not up to standards in relation to other classes. I also understand all the hybrids feel the same way we do about Ret, Enhance, Balance - you name it.

So I'll close with this. Hunter is a whole class without other options and we've received the short end of the stick for too many expansions now. I can't go Feral or Resto or Holy and be totally viable if I don't like how my class turns out, so please make it turn out better this time.

Thanks.
Orosion
Tichondrius
Orosion
85 Dwarf Hunter
2925
agreed
Reedful
Destromath
Reedful
85 Troll Hunter
5500
Thanks, please thumbs up my post or whatever. I appreciate the support.
Draedyn
Bronzebeard
Draedyn
85 Worgen Hunter
6105
Seems like a reasonable request to me.
Reedful
Destromath
Reedful
85 Troll Hunter
5500
Bump, please. Until Hunter has an Alter Time-level ability that is designed well.
Saiki
Nazgrel
Saiki
85 Blood Elf Hunter
10690
I've played for a long time myself (probably not as long as you have), and I completely agree with you. I'm tired of making serious threads like this just to hear people reply with "L2play" or "QQ moar". It has nothing to do with knowledge of your class, and trying to bring broken and clunky mechanics that are holding us back to Blizzard's attention is far from "QQ"ing.

I made a thread something like this about 4 months ago. It got great replies for the most part, highly rated on nearly the entire first page of posts, and still no attention from Blizzard. Even when some random hunter gets through to Blizzard about a serious issue, the employee answering it usually doesn't even understand the real question, or makes up an answer that has nothing to do with it.

WTB Hunter Q&A with Blizzard
Hanners
Shadowsong
Hanners
85 Goblin Hunter
7245
agree
Chronophage
Llane
Chronophage
85 Orc Hunter
8115
As a hunter I feel that I need to post in this thread.

You have basically summed up a list of things that need to be fixed.

/applaud
Demimas
Skullcrusher
Demimas
85 Orc Hunter
5380
Edited by Demimas on 2/19/12 8:50 AM (PST)
Liked.

Your sentiments echo much of what I've been trying to communicate for years. Admittedly, often with less diplomatic skill. :)

Hunter gameplay is not polished.

Clunky, unintuitive, and lacking in polish are fair descriptions of our ever-developing Hunter design implementation.

I am not a game designer, and I know that Blizzard's people are exceptionally bright, hard-working, and passionate about ALL classes. But a fair-minded examination leads me and many others to believe that Hunters have been short-changed.

This Hunter has played more BGs than most people have had hot meals. I raid a little, solo a little, and run lots of 5 mans also. I also have a former rank 13 Druid, an 85 Mage, and 85 Priest. Also some Rogue experience. Every spec of all of those others classes have more polish than any of the Hunter trees. It is unmistakable.

Rogues and Mages in particular have clear, intuitive, and dynamic gameplay choices. Hunters do not!

I am not a player to make silly suggestions like removing Daze permanently from Cheetah, or to make the current Aimed Shot instant, or to add a silence, MS, and dispel to Chimera. I have a balanced view of classes and class balance. Hunters ain't done right.

Much of our class is being reworked in MoP, and that will be awesome. LK and Cata were also good steps forward in Hunter design. What I want as a player is to have the same level of gameplay polish as the other classes. That's all. :)
Guntor
Khadgar
Guntor
85 Dwarf Hunter
6630
The devs and the hunter forums have umm a kind of 'history' and they don't come here any more.
Drifting
Frostmourne
Drifting
85 Worgen Hunter
1690
"I have to chuckle because I recall the days of entire threads dedicated to the question of why "Blizz" hates rogues and *vanish* OMGSPIDERS /\/\(;..;)/\/\.

But yes, we really always did. We love all our adventuring childrens and we have no favorites (this means you, reader who plays another class who is currently considering re-posting this thread in another class forum while claiming that Blizzard loves rogues best because they got a blue post here.)

Now then, to business!"

Rolled my eyes. Blizzard loves rogues because http://www.arenastats.com/index.php?r=all&bg=all&br=3&mr=2400&mt=5&mg=20
Paetheas
Dreadmaul
Paetheas
85 Night Elf Hunter
10055
Posting in a well written and thought-out post intelligently and rationally discussing hunters problems before the dev's delete it and forum ban you.

Ive played since Burning Crusade on my hunter and the only thing that happens to intelligent posters that try to discuss the hunter situation is they get forum banned and brushed under the rug.

Here's hoping you dont get banned, reedful, we cant lose many more intelligent hunters just b/c you decided to bring light to the 6 year hunter plight.
Trollpop
Arthas
Trollpop
85 Troll Hunter
3670
My only quality of life issue has been the lack of control/pathing with pets and focus starvation. When we're deadzoned and slowed and our "get out of jail free card" Disengage gets plundered by 1 of 1000 things that can go wrong with it, not to mention almost every class has multiple ways to re-engage.

PvE wise we're a great stand still dps class though. They did put alot of effort into fixing our DPS rotations even if burst isn't timed so well.
Kabbie
Stormrage
Kabbie
85 Night Elf Hunter
7050
Gotta find someone at Blizzard who can actually play a hunter first.

But yes, I agree.
Reedful
Destromath
Reedful
85 Troll Hunter
5500
Thanks again for the support.
Improvise
Velen
Improvise
85 Human Hunter
8445
I'll be honest, at first I thought this was going to be a wall-of-text QQ.

Then I started reading it, and found myself agreeing with everything you said.
Very nicely put, and sums up a lot of what is wrong with hunters.
Glosh
Skullcrusher
Glosh
85 Dwarf Hunter
3920
posting in a epic thread

/support
Genzen
Uldum
Genzen
85 Draenei Hunter
5860
Edited by Genzen on 2/19/12 4:32 PM (PST)
I think you're totally right about this, and I think it should be a major focus for Blizzard soon. They need to get a few developers who are actually involved in the balance and class design process to sit down and field questions for a long time - I don't just mean open up one thread for people to post in, and answering the top rated posts, since all the posts after about page 10 never get read so they never get up-rated. We need them to open up a thread, and have some community managers read through every single post, compile a list of all the questions with merit (such that they can filter out duplicate questions and crap like 'bliz y u mayke hunters suk so much'), and then have all of them posed to the developers.

But it shouldn't stop there. We should then get another thread after the developers answer, and we should be able to ask follow-up questions related to their answers. Again, the community managers should sift through and weed out the crap, and then the developers should answer the follow-ups.

They should do this for every class.

Yes, it would take a lot of time and resources and effort, but if it meant that every player who had a question could have it answered, it would make everyone feel a whole lot better, and it would be worth far more than the time they put into those random blogs and vague announcements they make that really don't give us anything in-depth, except to tell us what changes are being made and maybe one sentence on why.


As a side-note, I actually like the way Master Marksman works. It's random enough to keep it engaging, but it does have a degree of control over it, and it's really powerful when it activates.
Reedful
Destromath
Reedful
85 Troll Hunter
5500
Compare it to Hot/Hotter Streak. 2600+ arena, I wish I could spec out of it. In S9 against other top ten teams I got 2 procs the whole season.
Reedful
Destromath
Reedful
85 Troll Hunter
5500
Please don't let this post fall off. We can get a good spell this expansion if we communicate!

Don't give up.

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