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So I was watching "The Warning" cinematic again the other day at it struck me how halfhearted Medivh's attempt there was.

I mean think about it. He pops in unannounced on a meeting of some of the most powerful men in the Eastern Kingdoms, doesn't introduce himself, and after the king of Lordaeron makes a declarative statement interrupts him with an insulting rebuttal? Then, when Terenas asks him to identify himself, he's like "Hey you're all going to die, you need to hop in boats and head to Kalimdor. But I'm not going to tell you why or anything."

Then when Terenas tells him to go away he's like "Well I did my best, it's humanity's own fault it's hosed now" and flaps off to circle around Karazhan some more.

Is it just me, or was that the most ineffective way to give a warning ever?

02/20/2012 03:47 AMPosted by Retreat

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02/20/2012 03:47 AMPosted by Retreat

was that the most ineffective way to give a warning ever

But really, what chance did Medivh have?

The ONLY ones who took him seriously at all were the ones who could sense the magical power about him: Thrall, Jaina and Malfurion.


And if he DID tell them the Burning Legion was coming and their only chance was to flee, what are the odds that at least half the people in that room would have just protested they should stay and fight the enemy, not realizing the threat?

I dunno, on one hand, the warning was pretty weak, but I gotta agree with Draelik here. He pops into a room full of people who fight wars almost as their life's work... They are proud people and warriors and the like...wouldn't they be just as likely to hang out and fight anyway?

Yeah, it was halfhearted, but I also agree that these "warrior kings" would never have left. Men of honor and bravery do not run. However, they might have at least been able to evacuate a lot of the women, children and elderly. Though all the poor soldiers would have still fallen to the plague/Scourge.

You reminded me of this video. It's neither new nor the official trailer but it's still pretty cool to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51S3gL5J2xE

Warrior kings? What? This is the Alliance, not the Horde.

Antoidas would have been there. I wouldn't call him a warrior king. I'd call him an Archmage.

Genn could have been called a Warrior king, though it'd be a stretch. And he presumably had left by that point.

It was also mostly ambassadors there, as far as we know. No kings were mentioned, but Terenas did refer to one person as an ambassador.

I don't think Terenas was completely dismissive of the warning. He essentially said that they would defend their lands from any threat.

I wasn't exactly being literal. They were leaders of Alliance nations, leaders of armies and soldiers. Men who had dealt with the orcish horde before.

Antonidas wasn't there, at least according to the cutscene, because Terenas refers to the Dalaran "wizard" as Ambassador. If I recall correctly, the kings themselves didn't often come to these meetings but sent reps. This one seemed rather important though. The one speaker says something about not standing by while the horde masses on their doorstep. When he says "my people" I assumed he was one of the kings. I could be wrong.

Regardless, the Alliance leaders were not sissies. They were fed up with a lot of things going on, yes, and the Alliance was beginning to splinter. Still, they'd been through war. These were not the type of guys to run, is what I was trying to say. I'll keep the flowery prose to myself next time :D

To be (somewhat) fair to Medivh, though, there wasn't exactly a whole hell of a lot he could do. If he told them his true identity, they would've likely discounted all of his warnings, and probably would've tried to arrest/kill him on the spot, since he would've been considered the greatest traitor to humanity for his role in bringing the orcs to Azeroth. If he only told them that an army of demons was about to come, they probably would've decided to stay and fight; if he went into detail and told them just how hopeless any confrontation with the Legion would be, he might run the risk that a leader who would be essential to defeating them at Hyjal (or anywhere else in the Third War on Kalimdor) would crack and decide not to do anything to halt the Legion's advance.

Still, though, there were a lot of better ways for him to have done it. I'm thinking that he had only just been resurrected by his mother, Aegwynn, and didn't stop to think things through before he rushed off to try to warn the Alliance/Lordareon that they needed to get over to Kalimdor ASAP.

True. It's another of those no-win scenarios, really.

02/20/2012 09:48 AMPosted by Cbredbeard

The Legion wouldn't have gotten a foot hold if he'd just reclaimed his !@#$%^- book. Screw Medivh and his high horse.

Would have completely missed the point of Medivh making the races band together to truly heal the divide he had made by bringing the Orcs to Azeroth in the first place.

Then again, Blizzard undid his work for him anyways.

02/20/2012 09:48 AMPosted by Cbredbeard

The Legion wouldn't have gotten a foot hold if he'd just reclaimed his !@#$%^- book. Screw Medivh and his high horse.

Remember how they killed him and took all of his stuff to Dalaran...

Plain and simple, Medivh just does not know how to communicate with people.

You can't just fly into someones room half-naked and babble vaguely about the end of the world; and then get indignant when they don't believe you right off the bat.

It does seem like a bit of a flaw in the story telling, but as others have said, the end results would have been the same. Only Jaina was really open to the possibility that Medhiv might be right. If it was a matter of being able to sense Medhiv's power, Antonidas should have been able to as easily as Jaina.

Plain and simple, Medivh just does not know how to communicate with people.

You can't just fly into someones room half-naked and babble vaguely about the end of the world; and then get indignant when they don't believe you right off the bat.

He...he wasn't half-naked. Are you sure you're talking about what we are talking about, or your dream version of the event?


Edit: oh there goes Elenie again posting right before I do so I have to edit my post to quote the person I'm talking to!

Plain and simple, Medivh just does not know how to communicate with people.

You can't just fly into someones room half-naked and babble vaguely about the end of the world; and then get indignant when they don't believe you right off the bat.

He...he wasn't half-naked. Are you sure you're talking about what we are talking about, or your dream version of the event?


Edit: oh there goes Elenie again posting right before I do so I have to edit my post to quote the person I'm talking to!

Sorry, I'm good at posting before others and messing things up =)

Its unintentional.

It is my personal experience that women are made, from the ground-up, from crystallized lies and deceit.

This is why Warlocks summon Succubi. They aren't actual demons; they are just women. But Blizzard didn't want to create a spell called "Summon Girl". They knew too many people would play warlocks as a result(which kind of happened in TBC).

I'm on to you.

It is my personal experience that women are made, from the ground-up, from crystallized lies and deceit.

This is why Warlocks summon Succubi. They aren't actual demons; they are just women. But Blizzard didn't want to create a spell called "Summon Girl". They knew too many people would play warlocks as a result(which kind of happened in TBC).

I'm on to you.

This from a half-naked night elf Death Knight.

I've got a question actually, if Medivh really was trying to defeat the Burning Legion, then why didn't come sooner to tell Lordaeron that the Scourge had arrived? Because the only reason why Arthas went insane was because he couldn't stop the Scourge in time, so why didn't Medivh just tell them all ahead of time that the Scourge was coming? It would have stopped Archimonde's summoning, and by extension the summoning of the entire Burning Legion.