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25H.Ultraxion, D.Priest healing tips
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Half the time on this fight I end up going Shadow because we have our Holy Pallies online to lolholyraidince and win healing... however last night I was healing and several times at the end we would lose players and looking at the healing charts, I was the only one not pulling my weight.
Now obviously disc is terrible bad for this fight, but I've seen a couple Disc Priests pull some impressive numbers (60k+), while I clocked in @ ~43k on better attempts. The logs our 6min attempts Players died @ the end due to lack of healing http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/09djf7hefp6q6jss/sum/healingDone/?s=9312&e=9681 Again, lack of healing: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/09djf7hefp6q6jss/sum/healingDone/?s=8142&e=8502 Again, lack of healing: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/09djf7hefp6q6jss/sum/healingDone/?s=6175&e=6541 Challenges I was faced with. WTF, do I heal with and whom do I heal?!?! PoH is my only option, but when groups are having 1-4 people dropping out of them due to fading light, do I just ignore that group and spam on others that have @ least 4 people up in said group? Do I just go Holy and automagically do better as the spec on this fight is general capable of doing ~20% more. The only thing I trade off is the lack of a glyphed PW:B -25% damage and +10% healing for 10sec, when all goes to hell @ the end. Atonement: Yes, I know I have atonement when most priests have given up on it. But early in the fight, I can DPS and do ~1mil damage while still helping to heal a bit and then stepping in later and doing some actual healing when the blue buff comes out. But even looking at my later numbers, I feel I am still way below what I should be @ (again watching other Disc Priests in the final minutes pulling 20k HPS more than me). Reforging: Mastery, Crit, Haste... I've seen a variety of Disc Priests with all of these stats. Some mastery + haste. Some Haste + Crit. Some reforging out of Spirit for tons of the above. Other things of note: We use a timer macro to call out raid CDs which works great, so we are literally using every raid CD at the optimal time (assuming people are actually pressing their buttons when told to... which I think they are). Anyways, thoughts/comments are appreciated. |
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Edited by Kerias on 2/20/12 10:47 AM (PST)
What crystal are you on? It looks like blue, which I suppose is the smart choice since you have 2 druids.
Crit/haste is the popular method I believe; haste is self-explanatory, and crit because it's returns on DA are better than mastery's (crit double dips DA with PoH). I would honestly focus more on crit than haste, especially if you're getting the haste buff at the end (when it matters most). Other than that, the log does not indicate much is wrong- it looks like you are using PoM regularly and Shield for Rapture. If you're on blue, you're naturally going to be lower on the meters than red. It always happens to me when I'm on blue. Are you sure it is a healing problem and not a dps problem? At what point are you wiping? Edit: Actually, says you died to Twilight Instability. You're hitting the enrage? |
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Reforge out of mastery -> crit, it'll give you a slight boost to output. When are you using PW:B? Ideally, it should be one of the last raid cooldowns used.
Your output for the last part of the fight looks decent, you're only casting PoH as you should be. It looks more to me like an issue of how the raid cooldowns are cycled. |
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I was blue.
I'll try reforging out mastery... plus it'll make me smite harder. We are having a DPS problem, but on 3 of the 6min attempts we were losing people to healing (even though we hit the enrage). None of the attempts we would have killed it, but would have gotten a LOT more. |
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Edited by Sadiemay on 2/20/12 11:06 AM (PST)
To be honest it has nothing to do with healing. You reached the enrage timer multiple times. You have 5-8 dps that are pulling below what needs to be done. 35k or higher is what you need.
You can't heal through enrage so really it is pointless to worry about it. Tell your dps to pick it up some. edit: and your numbers aren't bad this was our first 25 man kill. You are right between where our two priests were. They were smiting the first 2-3 minutes though. http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-2tu89bdt3wy4v3eb/sum/healingDone/?s=8742&e=9095 |
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Edited by Poena on 2/20/12 11:08 AM (PST)
Our final push has:
Bloodlust Bear 4 piece (40sec). Divine Guardian (12sec). PW:B 2x Resto Druid Tranquility We use our AM, spirit link (@ the 5m fading light), mainspec Divine Hymn, Offspec Tranquility/Hymn on the 4:30-5:15 segment. |
If none of them died to Instability Pre-enrage, then I wouldn't worry about it. On the 3 6+min wipes I linked we lost several people each attempt due to instability deaths during the bloodlust. So as long as people are dying to lack of heals (that they can't outplay), then I shall worry! |
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Edited by Sadiemay on 2/20/12 11:16 AM (PST)
You should try to have your shaman drop SLT during time loop at the end. Not sure what happens there because it doesn't show up on WoL but it is magical.
edit: on the post above you should be shielding those 5 people as well as RT's should be rolling on them as well as rejuvs. Protecting your soaking group doesn't have a lot to do with overall numbers. |
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Generally speaking, it will be easier to 4 heal than 5 heal. The damage is really only bad towards the end anyway. As a side note, I use barrier for the 2nd hour and it's up during the burn.
I don't even see you doing 1 mil damage. I run atonement for this fight while being the 5th healer and literally hf/smite until around the blue crystal comes out. With this, I do somewhere between 2.3-2.5 million damage while the damage is relatively trivial. You also have to understand that there is a hard enrage and a soft enrage. The soft enrage is not exact, but it's when you no longer have the raid CDs - not necessarily healing - to keep up with damage. Also, the pulsing damage is split so once you lose a few people, the last bit of the fight REALLY hurts. (aka, split 1.1 mil between 25 vs 20) |
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What percentage of health is Ultrax at when you're hitting Time Loop?
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You should try to have your shaman drop SLT during time loop at the end. Not sure what happens there because it doesn't show up on WoL but it is magical. It shows up as damage and healing... but not attached to it's Shaman.
I protect G1, G2 (G3 has full immunity). I spam PoH on them prior and then PW:S during the twilight cast (the players with the weaker CDs). As for DPS, we are just shy of the kill, but I would still like to do my part to maximize my output. I think I'll try reforging Crit/Haste this week. |
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You should try to have your shaman drop SLT during time loop at the end. Not sure what happens there because it doesn't show up on WoL but it is magical. Oh i know where to find it, it just doesn't show what the heck is going on. It doesn't really show how health is redistributed but something funky happens during time loop with SLT. |
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Crit/Haste is definitely your best option, especially since the two stats also help your Smite/HF damage, while mastery doesn't. It's a win-win, I'm sure you'll find it much easier. |
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Edited by Gamex on 2/20/12 1:58 PM (PST)
Yeh, I'd say lust at the start with everyone's pots and cds up so the fight is shorter in the end. People lust to survive, but why not just lust to eliminate the problem altogether, and in the end it will definitely be shorter due to lust being up combined with all those other CDs. People could say well lust helps healers, but 2 of them already have 100% haste, so you'd only be giving 2-4 healers lust, which yeah matters, but it's better to just roll other cds since fight will be shorter due to this. Also, it's better to lust at the start since you can have your healers pre-pot and dps as well along with lust. It does matter! Then there's always the argument that if people mess up and you and have to brez them, you can lust for them later on too. As a disc, you should probably be dpsing almost up till blue comes out prob.. ehhh.. maybe a little after green actually, and you could just burn PWB early on in the fight for the hell of it since it'll be up in time later on. Just think of little tricks, and remember healer dps is highest on a disc priest, then prob druid > sham, then pally. Also, I see people in your raid not potting a 2nd time, they should definitely do that. Even have your tanks pre-port str pots, or agi if bear. Also I'd have tanks use str/agi flasks, and even wear dps trinkets. The higher your dps, the easier this fight is for healers, and you may be able to drop a healer if you can cut the fight before the last round of raid dmg. Also don't forget your own volc pots for healers as raid cooldowns, especially pallies for when they burn avenging wrath at the end, it's very powerful. You combine frenzy with that and there's no way anyone's goin down. Also make sure your pally is swapping targets with his HR, and to specifically heal HEALERS during his/her holy radiance spam for they will never get the fading light debuff, ensuring maximum hot time and no spell cast interruptions. |
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Edited by Poena on 2/20/12 2:12 PM (PST)
Also don't forget your own volc pots for healers as raid cooldowns, especially pallies for when they burn avenging wrath at the end, it's very powerful. You combine frenzy with that and there's no way anyone's goin down. Also make sure your pally is swapping targets with his HR, and to specifically heal HEALERS during his/her holy radiance spam for they will never get the fading light debuff, ensuring maximum hot time and not spell cast interruptions. Some great tips right here. We always Bloodlust @ 0, but have healers and execute DPS fade @ -3.5. Then we bloodlust @ 5m15s Most of us Prepot, but I suspect later in the evening we forgot to. I'll add a reminder to my Macro. Prepotting as a healer before a big move (like Tran/DH/wings) will be huge. Great idea! Also, targeting healers with HR... is a beautiful idea... HR is a 3sec HoT right? So just cycle on 4 healers and you'll never overwrite yourself or ever really have to think about who to target. |
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Ya and now that I think about it, it would be smart to put a healer in each separate group for 25m, so the healing priest could do the same with PoH to get max uptime on his poh glyph eh? Maybe make 1 mitigation group that the healer priest can shy away from (combined with spriests/boomkins/locks). Then he can sort of ignore that one and always heal a diff group. This would also mean it's 5 dps in that group, so they'll be getting fading light quite a bit anyway. Oh also have your healers stand behind the raid slightly, so they can proc Maw on everyone. Instead of there being an issue about which healer gets to be the furthest back, you can have healers positionin in a square around the raid, ensuring everyone's maw is always able to hit every other healer as well. |
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Edited by Intrigue on 2/20/12 2:44 PM (PST)
On our kill last week we used hero at the start but had all healers use heroic will to avoid it, then used it again during timeloop. As Disc, I was dpsing until blue crystal came out, and also dpsed some towards the end (we killed him while he was casting his raidwipe). I pulled over 2.6m damage, without which it obviously would not have been a kill. My healing numbers weren't very impressive (35k) but I was playing the correct role for the kill.
However if people are dying to twilight instability in your raid then that is absolutely a healing problem. |
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Let the shaman do all the healing then..
....On a serious note re spec into holy/shadow, disc is awful in this fight |
